ok finished testing.... didnt think i needed a card for the freeview channels though else they shouldnt work by changing the channel up/down?

re-flashed with fresh Vix image and loaded Bouquets by Silverfox = still getting the same on BBC1
re-flashed again and let the box do an automatic scan of channels found BBC1 from the list and no good but up/down channels a few times then it worked. then Power off/On using the remote power button only and Tune failed, then the channel up/down worked to get it going again.
tried the other sat cable (two cables in from the dish as the old sky box was twin tuner) into the box and still the same
Tried a mates box (openbox) and no problems with that reciever.