Thanks very much for all the replys, I think I have made my mind up & I`m definitely buying the mutant next couple of days. Wife still thinks I`m nuts though oh well. It seems as I thought this box is a step up from my beloved VU+ which I will be sorry to see go, have enjoyed using it, still a great box. Anyway looking forward to getting and setting up the mutant no doubt I`ll be back for advice Thanks again, appreciated.