Thanks Judge, Phoenix and Sicilian for clarifying regards Vu+, am really shocked at that regards the support attitude with them. I assumed, along with a lot of other folks, regarded them as the le creme of the creme in terms of satellite receivers and wouldn't have known the issues you are facing and your struggles with them in getting driver issues resolved etc. thank you all for sharing that with us, this is why this forum is the best and why ViX is the best image out by a country mile. ViX thrives on being the best and we are all proud of you guys for giving us a truly amazing image and may I wish it continues for many many more years. You ViX guys are amazing, thank you.