Having to repeatedly stop a recording

[Maxwell]

When I started this thread I didn't expect a discussion about Auto-timers. All I wanted to know if the record had a stop function that actually worked. Simple answer = no.

It is possible to stop any recording at any time, whilst recording call up your media file list, select the file that you want to stop (will have a red icon next to anything currently recording) then press the Red button, you will now be given a choice to Stop recording, Stop and delete, Stop after current event. (might be more or less options as doing this from memory at the moment)

[Andy_Hazza]

It is possible to stop any recording at any time, whilst recording call up your media file list, select the file that you want to stop (will have a red icon next to anything currently recording) then press the Red button, you will now be given a choice to Stop recording, Stop and delete, Stop after current event. (might be more or less options as doing this from memory at the moment)

Snap. You posted just before me. lol

[judge]

It is possible to stop any recording at any time, whilst recording call up your media file list, select the file that you want to stop (will have a red icon next to anything currently recording) then press the Red button, you will now be given a choice to Stop recording, Stop and delete, Stop after current event. (might be more or less options as doing this from memory at the moment)

The timer will kick back in on next autotimer poll though. I think that's the OP's issue?
So AT needs to be set up correctly or disabled when he has this issue.

[Maxwell]

The timer will kick back in on next autotimer poll though. I think that's the OP's issue?
So AT needs to be set up correctly or disabled when he has this issue.

So he needs to delete the autotimer entry as well, I just had a similar issue with an autotimer the wife had set, it doesn't reactivate until the following week if you forget to remove the autotimer entry (like I did lol)

[birdman]

So he needs to delete the autotimer entry as well,

NO!!!
Why would you ant to delete the AutoTimer which is/will be setting up lots of other recordings which you actually want!!!

[Maxwell]

NO!!!
Why would you ant to delete the AutoTimer which is/will be setting up lots of other recordings which you actually want!!!

YES !!!
You only delete the autotimer for the program you no longer want - the rest of your autotimers remain !!!!

[adm]

You only delete the autotimer for the program you no longer want - the rest of your autotimers remain !!!!

I really is down to how the user wants to use an auto-timer and the other functions on the box. There is not necessarily a right or wrong way, just different ways.

For instance, I may want to record every episode for a couple of soap operas for the next year and set up of auto-timers to do this. Next week when I'm coming home from work I hear on the radio that the world is about to end. On getting home I want to see the news but the box is using both tuners to record the soaps. To be able to watch another channel I stop one of the recordings, as a one off event. I don't necessarily want to stop the auto-timer setting timers for the soaps for the next 11 months (unless the world is really going to end).

[birdman]

I'll also add this info here. But just as a passing comment.

If you delete an AutoTimer that does not delete any instance timers that it has already set-up.

So if I were to find the timer code and look at it with the intent of altering things to enable disabling of running auto-recordings, I'd look into that as well.

[birdman]

The timer will kick back in on next autotimer poll though. I think that's the OP's issue?
So AT needs to be set up correctly or disabled when he has this issue.

Correct. But most people seem to be concentrating on other things. There is nothing else to concentrate on - only this.

[adm]

It is possible to stop any recording at any time, whilst recording call up your media file list, select the file that you want to stop (will have a red icon next to anything currently recording) then press the Red button, you will now be given a choice to Stop recording, Stop and delete, Stop after current event. (might be more or less options as doing this from memory at the moment)

Thank you - this probably the solution.

All the methods I've attempted so far ONLY give the option to delete the current ongoing recording to stop it. For auto-timer generated recording some menu options are disabled whilst the recording is active, but never the 'delete' option. Having now deleted the recording the auto-timers have nothing with which to compare to see if it has already been recorded and immediately kick in again, ignoring of the polling time set in the configuration menu.

Stopping the recording, rather than deleting, preserves the recording as the reference for the auto-timer search. This also means that further user actions to disable timers and/or polling are not required

Pressing the red button in media is not intuitive as the red button is labeled 'DELETE' and it actually does delete recordings that have finished rather bringing up another sub-menu. I have used this delete many times to remove finished test recordings and have never seen the sub-menu which only appears for an ongoing recording.

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread I did find another sub-menu with an option to stop a recording BUT it does this by taking you to the timer menu where the only option is to delete the recording. And where delete does mean delete.

[birdman]

It is possible to stop any recording at any time, whilst recording call up your media file list, select the file that you want to stop (will have a red icon next to anything currently recording) then press the Red button, you will now be given a choice to Stop recording, Stop and delete, Stop after current event. (might be more or less options as doing this from memory at the moment)

Thank you - this probably the solution.

I'm afraid not (I've just tested this).
This behaves just the same way as Deleting the timer from the Timer menu (but does let you delete the so-far-recorded file).
It still leaves things such that that next AutoTimer scan will start recording it again.
The only way to stop this is for the deletion of a running record from an AutoTimer to mark that timer instance as Disabled.

Stopping the recording, rather than deleting, preserves the recording as the reference for the auto-timer search. This also means that further user actions to disable timers and/or polling are not required

That's not how AutoTimers work (from what I can see). They never look at existing recordings, only the contents of autotimer.xml and timers.xml in /etc/enigma2. And unless an instance timer is there and marked as disabled they will add a new instance timer for it at the next scan, which will kick of another recording (mid-way through the programme).

[adm]

I'm afraid not (I've just tested this).
This behaves just the same way as Deleting the timer from the Timer menu (but does let you delete the so-far-recorded file).

It may have stopped the problem about starting a recording again a few minutes later . I have to wait until the middle of the week to do some more playing around with the box.

Speculation:
When stopping the recording before it was by deleting it and hence changing a timer configuration. When leaving a timer screen the software immediately looks to see if new timers are to be set because something has changed.
When stopping the recording by way of the media screen I'm actually stopping a partially recorded program and not deleting the timer. Hence, I'm not changing the timer configuration, the software now doesn't check immediately and waits for the next polling interval. I guess if the stopping of the recording co-insides with my 2 hour polling interval I will see the same problem but it is less likely.

That's not how AutoTimers work (from what I can see). They never look at existing recordings, only the contents of autotimer.xml and timers.xml in /etc/enigma2.

The auto-timer code cannot be that bad There is enough information stored with a recorded program for the software to easily check to see if it already has a copy (the short .eit files seem to contain the type of required information to check for title and episode detail). Otherwise, as soon as you 'cleanup' the timer menu the history of recorded programs is possibly lost and the box would find the hundreds of repeats to record again. A quick test may be to record as many programs as possible in a day, then cleanup the finished timer list and see how many repeats are then marked for recording.

[birdman]

When stopping the recording by way of the media screen I'm actually stopping a partially recorded program and not deleting the timer. Hence, I'm not changing the timer configuration, the software now doesn't check immediately and waits for the next polling interval.

And if the next polling interval arrives it will re-start the recording. I did check this (with a 3min polling interval).

[judge]

And if the next polling interval arrives it will re-start the recording. I did check this (with a 3min polling interval).

The poll will kick in again on set time, a box or E2 restart, opening of any of the timer screens IIRC.

[adm]

The poll will kick in again on set time, a box or E2 restart, opening of any of the timer screens IIRC.

But probably not when a recording is suspended by way of the media button.

My initial problem was I needed to free up a tuner which I did by deleting the recording in a dedicated timer screen, as that was the only method I found for stopping the recording. I could then watch what I wanted BUT a few minutes later the timer wanted to record again and pinched the tuner back - and repeatedly did it.

It still will be a problem as the polling tick (set to hours) pinches the tuner but hopefully only after the program I want to watch live has finished and/or another tuner is available. I will have an occasional bout of swearing at the box rather than having to do it every time.