hoobloody ray, got it working at last
using a pli beta image
loaded image, ftp the channel list over ( catseye )
scanned 28 east
loaded autobouquet ( dvbsnoop also loaded via autobouquet I think, although I did ftp it in,,but think it failed to load )
rebooted
started autobouquet, and hey presto
I followed the same procedure on "newenigma/nemisis..and forgot what the other one was" all failed