Does both these boxes have twin tuners as standard fitted to then, or are they just single tuners like the xtrend 8500, as it only appears to come with single tuners fitted as standard, i was also having a good look at the remotes for the xtrend and the mut@nt, as i will be using the remote that comes with the box that i buy, and the xtrend has the colour buttons up in the middle of the remote, where as the mut@nt has them down at the bottom, so not as handy when using the colour buttons, but the mut@nt seems to have a good lay out on it apart from the colour buttons, so im still trying to decide, many thanks for the feed back im getting on this thread....cheers !!