think I made my point badly. what I am trying to suggest is that (as rob has indicated in the past, plugins fit into images and images are not written around plugins), that the vix team focus on a (very) core set of plugins and open up a separate forum area for extra plugins where users can download and manually install. these users can then post feedback into the plugin area of the vix forum as to how well these plugins work. overall it would save the vix design team a huge amount of test time on their Beta testing of images as plugins would come very much second to the importance of the core image