CCcam legal/illegal

[Larry-G]

I don't believe a word of that. On what do you base that?

Related (indeed not about CCcam, but still): telesat also supports Linux-receivers (or better: clients using Linux receivers). See

http://www.telesat.be/client/communication.aspx?id=46

Because in the eyes of the law its no different to circumventing the protection on say a DVD, as I said certain european providers seem to be turning a blind eye for the time being but that wont last forever. As soon as their bank ballances are being directly affected I guarantee they will crack down hard on such meaures of sharing subs inuding within the confines of your own home.

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[josh_g]

Interesting to hear that. again its us muppets in the UK who get shafted while our brothers on the continent are allowed. Typical UK law. Naff.

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I fully agree with you, Mr Murdoch holding the monopoly of UK satellite subscriptions and charging for multiroom and cost of extra box is ridiculous!! and helps these so called 'payservers' get rich!

i see no harm in 'cardsharing' and strongly believe ditching my Sly box was the best thing i ever did

[Larry-G]

And do you really think our providers would support CCcam if that would be illegal?

When it starts to affect their profits they will close this loophole.

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[Rob van der Does]

Because in the eyes of the law ....

So you're interpreting the eyes of the law in such a way that we are all doing illegal stuff?
Do you really have a solid enough background for such a standpoint?

[Rob van der Does]

When it starts to affect their profits they will close this loophole.

Yes, it does, as they sell less secondary/tertiary cards due to the support of CCcam.

[Flyingpig]

Technically it is uk law as it comes under copywrite theft due to the softcam circumventing the protection algorithms of the card and im fairly certain the same would apply to all european countries if pushed.

Card sharing has always been a taboo subject that was tolerated by the service providers, this has now changed due to the massive amounts of users obtaining channels illegally without contributing any thing back the same thing happened with uk cable.

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It is only copyright theft if you resell the service. If you have a legitimate sub, you are within your rights to watch the items on TV in your home. You can then share this 'legally' around you home as there is no law against it.

What makes a law is a piece of statue which is brough in by the government then given royal ascent. Laws can also be formed by case law and precendent. However, I am not aware (and I have trawled the legal books), and neither are a bunch of legal specialists whom I have consulted with of any precedent been set.

Being careful with precedent - it has to be found on an exact point. You will not find a single case of anyone successfully prosecuted in the UK or Europe for that matter for sharing a legitimate sub around their own home which they are registered to receive the said copyrighted material.

Just out of curiosity what would be the terms of prosecution be for $ly if they were to prosecute? It could not be copyrighted material , as you have a legit sub? It could not be theft as you are legally entitled to view the material?

It is without question, illegal to re-sell a service that you are not permitted to sell.

[Flyingpig]

And as I stated above: that's also the way our Dutch & Belgian providers look at things. They even supported the setup of this so called 'in-house sharing'. Hence you see free talking about that on Dutch forums.

That is good, and I think if anyone in the UK had enough money or the time, they could challenge the UK providers and I think they would be successful, as it is closed protocol system. If there was a few more main stream satellite providers in the UK it would have to be open protocol systems as it would be unrealistic to have 3 systems to view 3 different channels on 3 different platforms.

So we need more providers selling TV services on different formats and I dont think it would be long before we seen a change in law.