Your SNR & AGC on your VU+DUO, what do you get ?

[BRAVEHEART]

yes of course its all paid for

and if you read back you would see that i did say that the dish was reset just after the storms in the uk, when was that, maybe 3 weeks ago, theres not even been a breeze since, and it was professionally done too and also a brand new LNB installed and after that reset and LNB everything was perfect, and as far as the freesat receiver and the free to air channels on the vu duo they have been fine all through this (apart from when the dish was knocked out during the storms), but now just since the past weekend the pay channels have not been good at all like i keep saying, I dont think I need to repeat what I have already said over and over, maybe the other night they worked a lot better but then changed again last night, so theres something going on.

I will say yet again though, the FTA channels on the vu duo and on my freesat have been fine, so that rules out any problems with the dish or connecters or LNB etc, so like I say, I am still stumpped for an answer for this

I dont mean to sound negative to people and I appreciate every single bit of comments and advice etc, but its just annoying when I cant figure out what is happening, I am sure you must understand what I mean ?

thanks

p.s
donnie, if my snr drops below about 59% then I start to have problems and thats exactly the point I am getting at, maybe your in another part of the uk (england) that has better signal quality or summit, i dunno, but mines certainly breaks up if i get close to mid 50's, anything in the 60's or 70's is usually good though.

[Donnie]

I will say yet again though, the FTA channels on the vu duo and on my freesat have been fine, so that rules out any problems with the dish or connecters or LNB etc, so like I say, I am still stumpped for an answer for this

OK, I am not convinced the problem is a signal issue for the reason stated above.

Good part is the card is local so we can help a little.

Which emu are you using ? and are you allowing emms ? if yes how may and what sort ?

[BRAVEHEART]

sorry, i think it was my other thread i mentioned the dish had been reset and new lnb etc, my mistake, sorry about that, was just reading back there to check it, wooops, lol

@ donnie, I will hold my hands up and tell you I aint really got a clue what your on about when you start talking about emulators etc mate, no sense in kidding is there, I have someone do this all for me, all I know is the facts that I have stated, thats all mate unfortunatley

[Donnie]

All I can suggest is it's time for you to do your homework on it as I would put money on the fact that this is where your problem lies.

A log from the emu would be a good place to start.

[Foxylady]

Braveheart first of all i ain't no installer myself.
But from experience in having clone 800 2 year ago, man that thing drove me nuts i was thinking all sorts lol.
Anyway i have a duo, i have taken a video and i will put it up to show others to eliminate the questions as regard glitch issues, need to find it first thou haha, but will explain why i took it.
My signals on the motorised are about 60-70 tops at moment and have been since i decided to be brave and move my dish inorder to fit a new lnb.
i must must say to you fella, please please buy the black ultra lnb, they are f***ing quality.
My dish moved in past due to wind and have tighten the bolts up and it hasn't moved, then i wanted to try this lnb people were going on about, think mine was £13 delivered on ebay.
So now i totally screwed the signal on the dish after fitting new lnb as mine is approx 12ft on side of house and limited space due to wall separating mine and heighbours house so was tough, but getting someone out to pay again was annoying me, but had a friend come round slighty moving it about whilst i looked at the box and got the signals back to 60-70% signal on all sats.
I wanted to test how good this lnb was and i noticed that even on 60% i would get odd glitch as the olde well 1 year approx lnb would give me approx 60-65 agc i.e actual gain control, learnt that from google lol.
This black ultra agc is 90-99 on all sats and i never ever get one glitch even in the very windy days as i made sure the dish & pole are not gunna move lol.
Bear in mind i never tampered with a dish before, but doing the above gave me confidence to buy a 60cm mk4 sky dish and mount it near the motorised and now get 91-99 on signal and both dishes are at rear, house right next to them approx 10 foot gap so have the roof slight in way and i get bob on signals.
Defo get that lnb i mention fella first, then go up to teh dish and retighten the nuts.
Another tip as i work on older cars, hate new ones lol, is buy some ignition sealant in a spray can basically used for the coil, ht leads and dizzy cap to prevent moisture getting in and spray it over the connection where the plug connects to the lnb, this will stop any rain tampering wiht the signal.
Also spray your entire dish with laquer, this will as you know will stop water sitting on the dish and keep it rust free.
These are free tiem only, and very little money and kepe your gear in top nick for many years to come.
But your dish is moving and if a cheapo lnb which no doubt is from what is sold in kits the lnb will not be helping.
My pole for the motorised is not straight i.e plum by any means but i got the best signal i could on all sats and never any issues at all.
This is the lnb you need bud, trust me on this as i was lost also and took the plunge, but i only bought it to see what others were raving about and had to see why.
Signal increased and agc went up approx 20% and not once glitch in wind, rain ever since, think my little ideas help also lol

XXXXXX

Make sure your box is right as regards settings etc, if you need any live help pm me your live messenger addy and we'll chat there and i will give you as much help as possible.
Best wishes.

P.s going to look for that video i took to show you i think it was 29% signal and picture never once moved or froze etc

[Sicilian]

Sponsor has the Black Inverto LNB's http://www.world-of-satellite.com/sh...798#post119798 You'd most likely need one of these too http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/...e-1-and-2-Dish

Or you could try a 63cm Zone 2 dish http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/...and-wall-mount complete with quad lnb and wall mount brackets.

[BRAVEHEART]

Braveheart first of all i ain't no installer myself.
But from experience in having clone 800 2 year ago, man that thing drove me nuts i was thinking all sorts lol.
Anyway i have a duo, i have taken a video and i will put it up to show others to eliminate the questions as regard glitch issues, need to find it first thou haha, but will explain why i took it.
My signals on the motorised are about 60-70 tops at moment and have been since i decided to be brave and move my dish inorder to fit a new lnb.
i must must say to you fella, please please buy the black ultra lnb, they are f***ing quality.
My dish moved in past due to wind and have tighten the bolts up and it hasn't moved, then i wanted to try this lnb people were going on about, think mine was £13 delivered on ebay.
So now i totally screwed the signal on the dish after fitting new lnb as mine is approx 12ft on side of house and limited space due to wall separating mine and heighbours house so was tough, but getting someone out to pay again was annoying me, but had a friend come round slighty moving it about whilst i looked at the box and got the signals back to 60-70% signal on all sats.
I wanted to test how good this lnb was and i noticed that even on 60% i would get odd glitch as the olde well 1 year approx lnb would give me approx 60-65 agc i.e actual gain control, learnt that from google lol.
This black ultra agc is 90-99 on all sats and i never ever get one glitch even in the very windy days as i made sure the dish & pole are not gunna move lol.
Bear in mind i never tampered with a dish before, but doing the above gave me confidence to buy a 60cm mk4 sky dish and mount it near the motorised and now get 91-99 on signal and both dishes are at rear, house right next to them approx 10 foot gap so have the roof slight in way and i get bob on signals.
Defo get that lnb i mention fella first, then go up to teh dish and retighten the nuts.
Another tip as i work on older cars, hate new ones lol, is buy some ignition sealant in a spray can basically used for the coil, ht leads and dizzy cap to prevent moisture getting in and spray it over the connection where the plug connects to the lnb, this will stop any rain tampering wiht the signal.
Also spray your entire dish with laquer, this will as you know will stop water sitting on the dish and keep it rust free.
These are free tiem only, and very little money and kepe your gear in top nick for many years to come.
But your dish is moving and if a cheapo lnb which no doubt is from what is sold in kits the lnb will not be helping.
My pole for the motorised is not straight i.e plum by any means but i got the best signal i could on all sats and never any issues at all.
This is the lnb you need bud, trust me on this as i was lost also and took the plunge, but i only bought it to see what others were raving about and had to see why.
Signal increased and agc went up approx 20% and not once glitch in wind, rain ever since, think my little ideas help also lol

XXXXXX

Make sure your box is right as regards settings etc, if you need any live help pm me your live messenger addy and we'll chat there and i will give you as much help as possible.
Best wishes.

P.s going to look for that video i took to show you i think it was 29% signal and picture never once moved or froze etc

I should have said from the start (which I forgot about), its a communal dish (so that means technically I cant touch it), but its a new system in new houses, and as I said, I had to call the guy out and have the dish reset after the storms here a few weeks ago, and he also fitted a brand new LNB, I dont know what size the dish is exactly but it certainly isnt one of those normal small dishes like sky fit nowdays, its bigger than that, but as I say I cant tell exactly the size unless I was to go and get a big set of ladders and go in the nighbours property and climb up there and measure it, lol, to heck with that, lol.

All I have to go on as far as the signal is concerned with the vu+duo is that the FTA channels are excellent quality and strength, and also my freesat receiver also reports excellent quality and strength signals, and then when I go to the pay channels on the vu+duo the snr levels drop to maybe as low as 50+% and thats when I get picture breakup etc, (@ foxylady, I dont know if your talking about agc (strength) or snr (quality), its the quality that matters, not the strength, even when my pay channel snr's drop down the agc seems to stay up pretty high, again I dont know why that is, its a strange one, but I think surely after all that I keep explaining that must surely rule out the sat dish and lnb, no/yes ???

Anyway foxylady, wheres this video your on about so we can see it, lol ?
I will pm you my msn messenger addy, thanks

[Sicilian]

If you want my honest opinion here I think there issue is from what you are connecting too and got nothing to do with the receiver or dish, but we wont go into detail with that here.

[BRAVEHEART]

And I just checked again just now and you know what ?

The signals are all back to being great on pay channels and FTA on the vu duo, this is nutz man, lol

[Maxwell]

So now you decide to tell us about being on a communal dish
How many people are fed by this dish ?
Is it the LNB feeding a single cable to each apartment ie multi output
Is it a single or twin cable into a SMATV system.
If its a SMATV system there could be a dodgy switch at the headend which could cause problems if the neigbours are watching another channel particularly if its on a different polarity/band.
Ask your neighbours if any of them are having problems
change tuner on the duo and leave the other disconnected and see what happens, its unlikely to have 2 dodgy tuners
Check your broadband connection if using a 'specialist service'
Try reinstalling your Softcam and check the EMM logs.
And stop using the FTA as a reference as I explained earlier unless the encryption data is good within the signal you can get what you describe.

[Foxylady]

This is showing quality i.e. snr which is why i took it to prove how good the lnb's are.
If your on a communial dish, that's your issue for sure, as how many people are on that one dish lol.
Here's me thinking you got your own bud



This is my setup, as you can see the motorised is not plum, but i got a got signal as best i know how without any meter's etc.
The standard dish is one from ebay approx £20 and standard lnb comes with it, on that i get 90% on nearly all channels, fta i get above 95%
As you can see not one bit of rust appearing on motorised due to spraying laquer on, this was put up approx 17 month ago.

[BRAVEHEART]

Foxylady, thanks for your video and the photos

Wait though, hmmmm, either I'm losing my marbles as I get older or summit or I am looking at things back to front with the vu duo

For mega years I was always under the impression that its better to have as low an SNR as possible as it means less noise = better quality, just like yours is loads lower than mines is foxylady.

But, for some reason (dont know why they would do this), but for some reason with the vu+ duo I thought they must have turned that reading basically upside down, I.E - its better to get the snr % rating higher rather than the normal (lower is better) (although in reality it would still mean lower is better but just that 100% is better than 0% SNR in the vu duo's case), in other words with the Vu+ Duo I thought it was best to get the Snr up the scale towards the 100% mark if you can, I.E - the higher the better.

Could someone confirm for me if I am correct or totally wrong with this and it is infact the normal old way even with the vu duo that the lower the snr the better, I.E - the closer to 0% you are is actually better ?

I am confused now, lol, cause if my SNR was any lower than about 55% then I would defo start to get signs of picture freezing and/or no picture at all, either that or they must have wired up my SNR back to front just to have fun with me, hahahahhaha

Someones gotta clarify this please, silly as it sounds, but yes, my system just would not operate with the snr anywhere near as low as foxyladys and I proved that myself since the weekend, although I have to say that last night and today so far the snr is looking pretty good now again on the pay channels, how long that lasts is anyones guess though, lol, hope its for a long time

[Foxylady]

Brave your getting utterly confused lol.
That video was to show how good the Inverto ultra black lnb is as regard pulling in teh best strength via AGC.
As i would never able to do this with other lnb's, soon as mine would go round the 50% it would lose signal, glitch etc.
The video was no a means to say this is how your snr should be
Once i took video i set the dish to max snr i could getin order to get tip top signal as i would have not left it at the percentage i had in the video as it was a demo for others to show them the quality of the new lnb.
My snr i got max on motorised is round the 70-80% and even on foreign i get 90's.
Your issue lies in the dish you are sharing for sure bud.
Is there no way you can replace the dish yourself as they only £20-25, could be an older dish and lnb, maybe dish loose depending where it is located.
Maybe loose cabling from lnb to junction box or whatever is be used in order to split the signal how many ways.
Can you take pic of your dish aslong as it is not on top of a tower block which in that case you could ask caretaker if he can open door to get to the roof.
After all it will benefit everyone and mostly you.
I am sure there are other knowledgable people here whom can explain in greater details how it works, but all my information is from me learning little bits here and there and doing some stuff my self as i am in this field no expert.

[BRAVEHEART]

Brave your getting utterly confused lol.
That video was to show how good the Inverto ultra black lnb is as regard pulling in teh best strength via AGC.
As i would never able to do this with other lnb's, soon as mine would go round the 50% it would lose signal, glitch etc.
The video was no a means to say this is how your snr should be
Once i took video i set the dish to max snr i could getin order to get tip top signal as i would have not left it at the percentage i had in the video as it was a demo for others to show them the quality of the new lnb.
My snr i got max on motorised is round the 70-80% and even on foreign i get 90's.
Your issue lies in the dish you are sharing for sure bud.
Is there no way you can replace the dish yourself as they only £20-25, could be an older dish and lnb, maybe dish loose depending where it is located.
Maybe loose cabling from lnb to junction box or whatever is be used in order to split the signal how many ways.
Can you take pic of your dish aslong as it is not on top of a tower block which in that case you could ask caretaker if he can open door to get to the roof.
After all it will benefit everyone and mostly you.
I am sure there are other knowledgable people here whom can explain in greater details how it works, but all my information is from me learning little bits here and there and doing some stuff my self as i am in this field no expert.

Ahh I see, thank goodness for that, lol, thought I had totally lost me marbles there, hehehe, I thought you were on about your SNR (quality) and not AGC (strength), I get ya now though.

I have to say my AGC is always as high as yours in the video or even sometimes much higher like 99% depending on what channel etc.

As I mentioned in my last post, things with the SNR are looking good for past couple of days now, so who knows what happened, I dont, lol, but I will keep a close eye on it and report back if needed.

Once again I thank you for taking the time to talk to me and posting your video and photos etc, I shall send you a pm and get you added to my msn messenger list, do that in a little while, doing some work in the house just now.

[Donnie]

Here is a screenshot from my Duo, I have watched this channel for over 15 mins with no break up.
Really this does prove what I am saying.
A properly configured emu is the key to viewing your card or other channels

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