I have a dm8000 clone. it is a good box with none of the spaz issuse of the poxy dm800's but not as good as the vu+ I have two extra tuners in mine. I have had good dealings with my supplier. but that is just my supplier. I did not pay £430 for mine so it was worth it for me. very good box for the money. not in the same league as the duo but not bad just the same.