Channel 5 HD Labelled 2802 in EPG

[KekseKaempfer]

Good evening.

Has anyone else noticed that since a few days ago CH5 HD (105) on both freesat and Sky EPGs is being labelled as 2108?


System OE: OE-Alliance 5.0
Firmware version: OpenViX 6.0.008 (2022-02-14)
Kernel / Drivers: 4.1.20 / 20210407

I will retrieve logs later.

Cheers
Chris

[Joe_90]

CH5HD is certainly identified as 2108 on my Freesat bouquet (and no EPG data as I have Freesat EPG turned off). The C5 family of channels are also identified as 2102 -2109 on my Freesat bouquet also. The transponder is 11307H, 27500 2/3 QPSK.

On the SKY bouquet the C5 HD and family are identified properly and the EPG data (OpenTV) is present. The transponder is 10964H, 22000 5/6 QPSK.

I think C5 is in the process of moving its channels to the 11307 transponder and "should" sort out the service name in time. Ultimately, the channels will cease on the 10964 transponder.

[Joe_90]

Channel 5 HD (and associated C5 family) on Freesat bouquet (transponder 11307H) are still being identified as 2102 - 2109. I would have thought that Freesat would have labelled them correctly by now. Still no OpenTV EPG for these, but Freesat EPG populates ok.
@abu - are any changes to Freesat provider files (for ABM) necessary? I didn't think so initially (as most recent changes to ABM Freesat bouquet, including ITV2/3/4HD happened automatically)? Maybe it's just a broadcast chain/playout centre issue?

[abu baniaz]

They should fix them automatically. However, we might as well as add renames for them until they get fixed.

[thecaretaker]

That's what I have done, I've manually renamed them for now.

[Joe_90]

But will that sort out the EPG for those Freesat bouquet channels? I'm just using OpenTV EPG provider on my main Quad Plus box. The EPG is fine on the SKY bouquet (which is still using the old transponder), but there are no EPG entries for the C5 family in the Freesat bouquet, unless I enable Freesat EPG provider in the EPG settings. I had thought of manually editing the provider file, but I presumed Freesat would get around to fixing the service names more quickly.

[abu baniaz]

Changing the name of the service will not fix the EPG acquisition. The other way of doing it which will also deal with the EPG issue, is to insert the Sky versions.

[Joe_90]

Changing the name of the service will not fix the EPG acquisition. The other way of doing it which will also deal with the EPG issue, is to insert the Sky versions.

My understanding from the one snippet of news I could find was that the transponder change from 10964H (owned by SKY) to 11307H (owned by Arqiva apparently) is an arrangement that C5 have made with Arqiva. I inferred from the news posting that the 10964H transponder will not continue to carry C5 in the longer term, so inserting the SKY versions would be a short term kludge. I can't find any info on the Freesat website about this. Maybe someone with a branded Freesat receiver can confirm which transponder is being tuned? I presume ABM is picking up the new transponder because it's being listed in the official Freesat home stream info?

[cactikid]

Good to know its not just a few of us with that issue.

[thecaretaker]

I just use the Freesat OpenTV option and have the EPG for all the C5 family. Apparently, Freesat boxes are now using the newer C5 frequencies. But I don't know how they get around the channel names issue. I guess they must allocate channel numbers and basically rename them. I hope this is just an oversight and they don't start doing this for all Freesat channels.

[abu baniaz]

I just use the Freesat OpenTV option

Freesat EPG reader is one option. OpentV EPG reader is another option. We also have the now/next EIT EPG. Please clarify what you are using.

[thecaretaker]

Freesat EPG reader is one option. OpentV EPG reader is another option. We also have the now/next EIT EPG. Please clarify what you are using.

Sorry I'm late, it is the OpenTV EPG on Astra 28.2 that I'm using. I manually adjusted the channel names using DreamboxEDIT.

(The reference to Freesat was my mistake. I used to have that selected before I started using the built-in OpenTV reader.) As Mr Mainwaring once said "I wondered how long it would be before somebody spotted that" hehehehe

[abu baniaz]

With regards to the name, the Freesat tables are correct. It is the names on Astra satellite that are wrong. You can confirm/test this by following:
Remove 28.2 services
Run Freesat only on ABM
Check bouquets, name should be correct
Select Channel 5 HD, the background scanning will then change the name to 2108

I'll add a temporary rename. The hold function will mean name will persist, just like we do with the ITVs

[Joe_90]

With regards to the name, the Freesat tables are correct. It is the names on Astra satellite that are wrong. You can confirm/test this by following:
Remove 28.2 services
Run Freesat only on ABM
Check bouquets, name should be correct
Select Channel 5 HD, the background scanning will then change the name to 2108

I'll add a temporary rename. The hold function will mean name will persist, just like we do with the ITVs

Yes - that's exactly what's happening - the service name in the transmitted stream is wrong. This normally happens only briefly when a new channel or channel move happens, then the correct name appears after a day or so. It's just that this 2101 - 2108 naming has been going on for weeks. See my post #13 for what I've found on a geniune Freesat box (it's about 15 years old!).

[abu baniaz]

@joe_90
Do you have a channel 5 SD on your official Freesat receiver? I am presuming it is a HD version.

It isn't assigned an LCN on ABM.

15:56:10.9637 [ABM-DvbScanner] SDT raw section content [{'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2101, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': 'Channel 5', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2102, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5 USA', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2103, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5 USA +1', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2104, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5STAR', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2105, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5SELECT', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2106, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5STAR+1', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2107, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': 'Channel 5 +1', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2108, 'service_type': 25, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': 'Channel 5 HD', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}, {'transport_stream_id': 2109, 'original_network_id': 2, 'service_id': 2109, 'service_type': 1, 'free_ca': 0, 'service_name': '5ACTION', 'provider_name': 'Freesat', 'logical_channel_number': 0, 'bouquets_id': 0, 'service_group_id': 0, 'category_id': 0, 'region_code': 0, 'city_code': 0}]