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    Quote Originally Posted by dsayers View Post
    Even with HD region I get 1 to 5 SD first without Channel swap.
    Which is the official HD line up.

    So anyway you are not getting that strange order lincsat is reporting for VMUK HD bouquet, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    Your area does have an ITV HD though, so your Yorkshire HD is correct, the official box would have ITV HD on 103 but BBC1 W. Yorks in SD on 101. Try setting the area to a different Yorkshire region that should not have ITV HD - with the latest files you will still get an ITV HD (so wrong local news). Then patch the file to get the correct ITV on 103 and the main bouquet will be wrong.
    No, not wrong. You told ABM to swap. If you want to follow the official HD list select an HD area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    But AIUI, the broadcaster only swaps where there is an equivalent HD, so in my area, Sky does NOT swap ITV or BBC1. In London for example it DOES swap ITV. So, again, AIUI, ABM should follow the official broadcaster.
    This maybe possible with the bouquet regions in conditional swap. This was the conditonal swap for ITV/STV swap that may to work for local regions

    Code:
    <channel number="103" with="803" conditional="service_hd['bouquet_id'] not in (0x1002, 0x1006)"/> <!-- ITV HD -->
    <channel number="103" with="176" conditional="service_hd['bouquet_id'] in (0x1002, 0x1006)"/> <!-- STV HD -->
    This is where the issue was for Scottish regions West uses 803 for STV and East uses 176. I think STV guide shows STV HD is for west so STV HD on 176 for East so maybe bouquet id can be used in CustomMix?


    But I like 1 to 5 HD and can find the SD version easily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huevos View Post
    Which is the official HD line up.

    So anyway you are not getting that strange order lincsat is reporting for VMUK HD bouquet, right?
    For HD bouquets no but maybe due to regions. On Sky TV guide with North West Yorkshire HD BBC 1 and Channel 4 is SD and rest are HD but with ABM North West Yorkshire HD all are SD.

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    Actually got me thinking, Maybe 801 to 804 is for local regions so if one region doesn't have there area in HD it will be in the primary bouquets. Looking at my bouquets for North West Yorkshire in the secondary bouquet I have:

    BBC 2 HD = 802
    ITV HD = 803

    and

    BBC 1 HD 115
    Channel 4 HD 138

    So the way Lincsat wants it is just have 801 to 804 swaps then it wont swap none local HD channels as they are in primary bouquet. That would make sense how Sky are actually doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsayers View Post
    This maybe possible with the bouquet regions in conditional swap.
    No. That is not a route we are going to take. Swap means swap. Always has done, even when there was just one ITV HD channel.

    The current list produced in the main and sections bouquets (when swap is disabled) is exactly what the broadcaster is sending. If one area has a different order compared to another area it is because that is what the broadcaster is sending. If one area has a substitute ITV channel, not an equivalent one that is because that is what the broadcaster is sending. It is nothing to do with ABM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huevos View Post
    No. That is not a route we are going to take. Swap means swap. Always has done, even when there was just one ITV HD channel.

    The current list produced in the main and sections bouquets (when swap is disabled) is exactly what the broadcaster is sending. If one area has a different order compared to another area it is because that is what the broadcaster is sending. If one area has a substitute ITV channel, not an equivalent one that is because that is what the broadcaster is sending. It is nothing to do with ABM.
    Maybe true but looking at the TV guide it doesn't match what ABM scans pull in. Maybe Sky UK are just sending as SD and the official box does the swap if its an HD box. Either way im happy with 1 to 4 HD swaps

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    I'll stick with the older files, not perfect but a whole lot better than the new versions.

    Doesn't anyone else get the messed up main (HD) bouquet when using VM only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsayers View Post
    Actually got me thinking, Maybe 801 to 804 is for local regions so if one region doesn't have there area in HD it will be in the primary bouquets. Looking at my bouquets for North West Yorkshire in the secondary bouquet I have:

    BBC 2 HD = 802
    ITV HD = 803

    and

    BBC 1 HD 115
    Channel 4 HD 138

    So the way Lincsat wants it is just have 801 to 804 swaps then it wont swap none local HD channels as they are in primary bouquet. That would make sense how Sky are actually doing it.
    Which would make BBC Two HD a simulcast of BBC Two Eng. Need to record the news and check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    I'll stick with the older files, not perfect but a whole lot better than the new versions.

    Doesn't anyone else get the messed up main (HD) bouquet when using VM only.
    I think you are using a mismatch of files.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    I'll stick with the older files, not perfect but a whole lot better than the new versions.

    Doesn't anyone else get the messed up main (HD) bouquet when using VM only.
    Are you using ABM 3.0? a lot of python code has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsayers View Post
    Are you using ABM 3.0? a lot of python code has changed.
    Yes, I downloaded the latest from the Git

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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    Yes, I downloaded the latest from the Git
    For VM UK HD bouquets the files on github should give you 108, 162, 113, 141, 150 as the first 5 channels. If not something is wrong with the files.
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    I'm lost. Are we discussing:

    Swap for Sky UK
    Swap for Virgin UK
    Only swapping for ITV HD channels if there is a local HD service for Sky UK
    Only swapping for BBC HD channels if there is a local HD service for Sky UK
    Only swapping for ITV HD channels if there is a local HD service for Virgin
    Only swapping for BBC HD channels if there is a local HD service for Virgin
    HD on top for SD Sky regions
    HD on top for HD Sky regions
    HD on top for Virgin regions
    None of the above
    All of the above

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    Quote Originally Posted by lincsat View Post
    I'll stick with the older files, not perfect but a whole lot better than the new versions.

    Doesn't anyone else get the messed up main (HD) bouquet when using VM only.
    Not a problem here
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