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Dream Multimedia has obtained an injunction against competitors Satco Europe. Dream accuses Satco, the manufacturer had violated the idea of Linux receiver VU + duo on the ANGA Cable trade marks owned by Dream Multimedia.
As the company announced on Monday, Satco had during the show the receiver VU + Duo aggressively promoted by reference to "Enigma 2 ". The naming rights for the Linux-based user interface can be secured Dream Multimedia has, however, as a registered trademark.
Core of the dispute is a promotional flyer for the product being advertised in the Enigma with the support of the Satco receiver. Also during the startup process, the VU + duo Designation Enigma come as a screen display used, raised the Lünener receiver manufacturer, who had founded with his dream boxes in 2003, the segment of the Linux-based receivers for digital television reception.
The District Court Dusseldorf Satco now banned the further use of the name "Enigma 2 ". The device may thus no longer "Enigma" are advertised. Disappear on future devices, the writing produced. Stops are not available to the Satco, threatens the company a penalty of 250 000 €.
Dream Multimedia will in future action against other manufacturers that use the company's trademark illegally. The terms "Enigma" and "Enigma 2" have been shaped by Dream for your digital receiver. The Dreambox 7000 was the time the first set-top box market, which was shipped from the factory with a pre-installed Linux operating system.
http://www.digitalfernsehen.de/uploads/media/dreammultimedia_teaser_top_09.jpg
Orginal German:
Dream Multimedia hat eine einstweilige Verfügung gegen den Konkurrenten Satco Europe erwirkt. Dream wirft Satco vor, der Hersteller hätte mit der Vorstellung des Linux-Receivers VU+ Duo auf der Fachmesse Anga Cable Markenrechte von Dream Multimedia verletzt.
Wie das Unternehmen am Montag mitteilte, hatte Satco während der Messe den Receiver VU+ Duo offensiv unter Verweis auf "Enigma 2" beworben. Die Namensrechte für die Linux-basierte Benutzeroberfläche hat sich Dream Multimedia jedoch als eingetragenes Warenzeichen sichern lassen.
Kern des Streits ist ein Werbeflyer für das Gerät, in dem mit der Enigma-Unterstützung des Satco-Receivers geworben wird. Auch während des Startvorgangs der VU+ Duo komme die Bezeichung Enigma als Bildschirmeinblendung zum Einsatz, hob der Lünener Receiver-Hersteller, der mit seinen Dreamboxen im Jahr 2003 das Segment der Linux-basierten Empfangsgeräte für den digitalen Fernsehempfang begründet hatte, hervor.
Das Landgericht Düsseldorf untersagte nun Satco die weitere Nutzung der Bezeichnung "Enigma 2". Das Gerät darf somit nicht mehr mit "Enigma" beworben werden. Auf zukünftig produzierten Geräten muss der Schriftzug verschwinden. Hält sich Satco nicht an die Verfügung, droht dem Unternehmen eine Strafe von 250 000 Euro.
Dream Multimedia will in Zukunft noch gegen weitere Hersteller vorgehen, die widerrechtlich Markenzeichen des Unternehmens verwenden. Die Bezeichnungen "Enigma" und "Enigma 2" sind von Dream für ihre Digital-Receiver geprägt worden. Die Dreambox 7000 war seinerzeit die erste Set-Top-Box im Markt, die ab Werk mit einem vorinstallierten Linux-Betriebssystem ausgeliefert wurde.
Quelle:digitalfernsehen.de
you just have to laugh at dream now adays. they have driven all their custom away due to ridiculous pricing and now their only revenue source is to sue their competitors.
Dont fully understand this. So what is the outcome here? No one is allowed to use the Enigma or Enigma 2 name even though if its used in Opensource format any receiver can use it but can't say in their marketing that it uses Enigma2? Wtf???
Enzo you got a link to origianl story please?
This is a direct response to DMM loosing out to cheaper and better supported box's now.
Who really makes a decent Dreambox image these days ?
Gemini has lost loads of support since it is just a plugin that no one really likes, Black Hole parted company with them so you loose your two biggest assest and what are you left with ?
I can see DMM going pop unless they come on board with how the community feels these days.
On DMM website: -
Einstweilige Verfügung gegen Satco Europe
Dream geht gegen Markenverletzungen vor
Dream Multimedia, der führende Anbieter Linux-basierter Set-Top-Boxen, hat eine einstweilige Verfügung gegen die Satco Europe GmbH erwirkt. Satco stellte auf der Anga Cable in Köln unter anderem den TV-Player VU+ Duo vor, dessen Bewerbung gegen Markenrechte von Dream verstößt.
Satco nutzt widerrechtlich die Bezeichnung „Enigma“, die eine eingetragene Marken von Dream ist. In einem Werbeflyer bewirbt Satco das auf dem VU+ installierte Linux-Betriebssystem mit der Bezeichnung „Enigma 2“. Der Begriff „Enigma“ erscheint darüber hinaus beim Hochfahren des Receivers.
Mit der einstweiligen Verfügung untersagt das Landgericht Düsseldorf Satco die Nutzung der Bezeichnung „Enigma 2“ sowie das Anbieten von Set-Top-Boxen mit so gekennzeichneten Betriebssystemen. Bei Zuwiderhandlung droht eine Geldbuße in Höhe von bis zu 250.000 Euro oder eine Ordnungshaft von bis zu sechs Monaten.
Die Verfügung auf der Anga Cable ist nur der erste Schritt. Dream will in Zukunft auch gegen andere Hersteller vorgehen, die widerrechtlich Marken von Dream nutzen.
Dream-Sprecher Alpaslan Karasu: „Wir werden nicht mehr länger tatenlos zusehen, wie Mitwettbewerber unseren guten Namen ausnutzen, um ihre Produkte zu verkaufen.“
Injunction against Satco Europe
Dream takes action against trademark infringement
Dream Multimedia, the leading provider of Linux-based set-top boxes, has a restraining order against the Satco Europe GmbH sought. Satco presented at the Anga Cable in Cologne, including the TV player VU + duo whose application for trademark violation of Dream.
Satco uses illegally the name "Enigma, "which is a registered trademarks of Dream. In a promotional flyer advertises the Satco on the VU + installed Linux operating system called "Enigma 2 ". The term "Enigma" also appears when booting the receiver.
The injunction prohibits the district court of Dusseldorf Satco the use of the name "Enigma 2 " and the provision of set-top boxes marked with such operating systems. In violation a fine of EUR threatens up to 250,000 € or a detention order of up to six months.
The injunction at the Anga Cable is just the first step. Dream will continue to proceed against other manufacturers who use illegal trademarks of Dream.
Dream spokesperson Alpaslan Karasu: "We will not longer watch passively as competitors exploit our good name to sell their products."
So from what I can see anyone can use the Openembedded providing its kept opensource, but not use the term Enigma or Enigma 2.
Wake up DMM! We fully appreiciate all your dev work in Enigma and Enigma 2, but your prices are too high! Looks like DMM dont like healthy competition!
there just going to alienate them selves further with this
Mr. Mister
09-05-11, 16:08
I can see DMM going pop unless they come on board with how the community feels these days.
Just on this note..
Would the satellite world be a better place without DMM.. ??
Just on this note..
Would the satellite world be a better place without DMM.. ??
Definitely not but in the market place you have to stay competitive, things change, the market changes. You just have to look at car manufacturers that have disappeared over the years.
The mini was a great car but Austin/ Rover are no more and is the car market a better place without them ?
irishchris
10-05-11, 00:29
according to article i read at lunchtime on wotsat it says dmm have an injunction to stop vu + using both enigma name and software {although i have my doubts on the latter as is opensource?) also that vu+ is only the first of their competitors who dmm will come after.
"Dream Multimedia has brought a temporary injunction against the makers of the Vu+ Duo box to stop them using its Enigma brand.
The injunction against Satco Europe prevents them from using either the brand name or the software in its products.
Dream is planning to take further action against other manufacturers who use its brands and software without permission.
Dream spokesperson Alpaslan Karasu said: 'We will definitely no longer stand around and watch while competitors exploit our good name in order to sell their products.'
The temporary injunction was granted by the Dusseldorf district court after Satco showed the Vu+ Duo with Dream's Enigma brand in its promotion at last week's Anga Cable show in Cologne. The Enigma brand also appears on screen when the Vu+ booted up."
http://wotsat.techradar.com/news/dream-stops-vu-maker-using-enigma-brand-09-05-11
if you read the license for GPL it says that you do NOT have to ask for permission to use ANY opensource project, that is why it was created, ALL you have to do is make your version opesource to, and you CAN NOT change the name or re brand as your own. so i can't see Dream having leg to stand on, unless they make there project Closed, but then they CAN NOT use ANY opensource projects that enigma2 depend on either, so, if they want to go down that route, then ALL the other opensource projects that make OE (openembedded) in which i believe that they use as there os for there boxes could say the same to them, i have had this discussion before with plugin makers, when they told me that there plugin was copyrighted, and i told them the same, you can't copyright or register an opensource project.
this why when moved over to PLi's OE as a base, we had to make our oe available on GIT too.
i think that they need to read the the license agreement that Enigma is built on. Vu+ are abiding by the license by making there OE (the make file) freely available for anyone to use.
i think this will cause Dream Multimedia more harm than good, imho
Andy.
I cannot understand how dmm think they can do and say this. As andy says, enigma2 is open source. Yes, it may be a trademark of dmm (and they are the main developers of it), but but it's still open source. Android for mobile phones is a trademark of Google, yet google aren't stopping major phone manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung etc etc from developing phones for using android! How is this any different?
Also, as far as I'm aware, dmm didn't actually come up with the idea of enigma2, but actually used the dbox2 as their base. The dbox2 was powered by tuxbox originally, which, I'm guessing is the base of enigma?! If not, the concept at least is, and also makes you wonder why in enigma1 boxes there is a /usr/tuxbox/ folder, and on enigma2 a /etc/tuxbox/ folder... Hence why dmm must have to keep their code opensource, since I imagine it's still using some portion of the tuxbox code...
With all this in mind, I cannot see how the injunction was passed!? :confused:
This makes good reading
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
@ Poo, its a temporary injuction.
it was passed because it was a german judge looking out for a german company. although i can not see it stand up when Vu challenge it in court.
Just doing a search, and there are loads of trademarks for enigma, and even some enigma II trademarks... So, I can't really see this going far...
a lot of it is probably down to the way the images of other receivers are blatantly ripped from dreambox images, and so much dreambox references are there, its things like this that spoil an image for me
for example, crash your Vu+ receiver so that it greenscreens, and it tells you that your dreambox has crashed and to send the crashlog to dreammultimedia. if you have autosubmit enabled, then DMM will be receiving allof these logs, detailing your system, showing that its not a DMM product, but is using ripped DMM images
The image i used to work on, which was PLi based, had been looked over numerous times, in fine detail, and its the ONLY image i have ever sen that doesnt refer to the receiver as 'your linuxbox', but instead, by its actual name, every reference to any receiver other than the one it was running on was removed or edited out, the green screen was rewritten, with a little of my twisted humour added, just for fun
silverfox0786
13-05-11, 21:49
funny u say that digi i been working on a new autocrash submit that green screens vix and sends a crash log to me
just i cant get my box to crash to test it :roflmao:
funny u say that digi i been working on a new autocrash submit that green screens vix and sends a crash log to me
just i cant get my box to crash to test it :roflmao:
Download a plugin u knw will crash the box :p
, every reference to any receiver other than the one it was running on was removed or edited out, the green screen was rewritten, with a little of my twisted humour added, just for fun
Now I want to make my TM800 crash just to see what you've written, lol
But the thing is too stable these days, any idea how I can guarantee a green screen?
Rob van der Does
19-05-11, 18:14
Just doing a search, and there are loads of trademarks for enigma, and even some enigma II trademarks... So, I can't really see this going far...
That's no problem: DM's registration only applies to the name Enigme in use in the same branch.
Jewellery/bread/ice-cream/whatever can all use that name, as far as DM is concerned.
In the meantime:
1- It took VU+ only a couple of days to remove all "forbidden" naming from their devices (look at the last version of their image: 5.8 f): no harm done;
2- DM provided their competitors a lot of free publicity by acting like this;
3- DM now clearly shows to be afraid for their competitors. And mind you: those competitors only stepped into a wide gap in the market created by Mr. DM himself! Whereas DM was the only supplier in the E1-era, now the situation has changed dramatically. And of course: every VU+ or ET-receiver sold, is a DM not sold!
All in all: DM has not done any harm to any competitor by going to court. And maybe even the opposite is the case.
That's no problem: DM's registration only applies to the name Enigme in use in the same branch.
Jewellery/bread/ice-cream/whatever can all use that name, as far as DM is concerned.
In the meantime:
1- It took VU+ only a couple of days to remove all "forbidden" naming from their devices (look at the last version of their image: 5.8 f): no harm done;
2- DM provided their competitors a lot of free publicity by acting like this;
3- DM now clearly shows to be afraid for their competitors. And mind you: those competitors only stepped into a wide gap in the market created by Mr. DM himself! Whereas DM was the only supplier in the E1-era, now the situation has changed dramatically. And of course: every VU+ or ET-receiver sold, is a DM not sold!
All in all: DM has not done any harm to any competitor by going to court. And maybe even the opposite is the case.
yes i absolutely agree, DM has only harmed them selves with this action and handed a massive amount of free advertisement and publicity to its rivals.
Now I want to make my TM800 crash just to see what you've written, lol
But the thing is too stable these days, any idea how I can guarantee a green screen?
It says something along the lines of (only on DW images)
'Your TM800HD has run into a problem (AGAIN) and will attempt to email this crash report to crashlog at tm800hd.co.uk (!!changed on purpose so bots dont find it lol) but that wont work either
it then lists all the usual junk, and goes on to say
....as a last resort ill try dumping a bit of code, and hop this doesnt crash.
But you just know im going to crash and completley restart, or not do anything at all, so go and make a cuppa, and if im still green when you get back, be a sweetie and turn me off and back on will ya ;-)'
i changed it a few times, in each image but that was the general jist of it lol
dreambox for over 2 years and no longer is a dream, now is a company of nightmares, welcome NightmaresBox
perhaps now is the time to think about a new OS Free Linux using all the latest technology, perhaps now you wake up the beast in us all, enigma2 was nice, but what comes after is better, start working now.
Always free OpenEmbedded
Whatever happened with this injunction, did they go to court with Vu+ or?
Opensource was supposed to set us all free all it's done is keep the courts busy as with Google, Samsung, Apple, Dream Multimedia and Vu to name but a few quite funny when you think about it :D
Whatever happened with this injunction, did they go to court with Vu+ or?
well the name Enigma 2 is now copyrighted to dream multimedia so no one other manufacturer is allowed to advertise or use the enigma 2 brand name, DMM have now also decided that their next installment lets call it enigma 3 for arguments sake is going to be closed off so no one else can use it for development purposes. as for any thing else i'm not sure, i think the case is still ongoing.
I would have thought everyone just forked off a GPL2 version, rebranded it and worked on that instead and leave DMM to its destiny?
Reason I am asking is if im gonna go the trouble to fix the swedish translation in enigma2 who am i contributing to? What branch of enigma2 is VIX using for example?
Opensource was supposed to set us all free all it's done is keep the courts busy as with Google, Samsung, Apple, Dream Multimedia and Vu to name but a few quite funny when you think about it :D
I dont see why you comparing Google, Samsung and Apple with this case. Completly different subject, thoose are not about opensource - closest thing is software patents (which btw sucks big time).
Rob van der Does
07-03-12, 07:04
I would have thought everyone just forked off a GPL2 version, re-branded it and worked on that instead and leave DMM to its destiny?
What branch of enigma2 is VIX using for example?
That is exactly what has been done. This leaves Dream with a very small number of contributors, which indeed shows in the lack of (serious) development.
As for ViX: as you know this is PLi-based. And PLi forked Enigma2 ages ago, going their own development route (and leaving Dream and Dream based images) far behind.
Reason I am asking is if I'm gonna go the trouble to fix the Swedish translation in enigma2 who am I contributing to?
Sorry, I fail to see how you could get into trouble with that. You are not distributing any software, are you?
You only contribute to an isolated file within open source software. So please: keep on he good work!
Sorry, I fail to see how you could get into trouble with that. You are not distributing any software, are you?
You only contribute to an isolated file within open source software. So please: keep on he good work!
I expressed myself wrong, what I meant to say was i dont want my contribution to end up helping Dream Multimedia. But if they run closed source now they cant use our translations, they would need to GPL there code then - right ?
Rob van der Does
07-03-12, 08:40
I expressed myself wrong, what I meant to say was i dont want my contribution to end up helping Dream Multimedia. But if they run closed source now they cant use our translations, they would need to GPL there code then - right ?
Officially: yes. Open source software may not be used in closed source stuff. But on several locations I read about Dream not adhering to that. In the very first place because the so-called Enigma3 is a further development of Engima2, which has loads of open stuff in it.
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