View Full Version : 28.2E BBC regional channels going HD
thecaretaker
09-01-23, 00:10
The BBC have set up two fallback BBC One (national) SD channels. Similar to the message viewers currently see on the BBC One HD channel advising viewers to switch the SD channels to view regional news, the BBC is now showing a similar screen when regional news isn't shown on the fallback SD channels.
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Yes, they are going to switch off all the regional SD channels.
abu baniaz
09-01-23, 01:47
Some more details here:
https://www.hdsatelliteupgrade.co.uk/when-does-my-area-switch
https://www.hdsatelliteupgrade.co.uk/
https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/regional-bbc-one-hd-roll-out
abu baniaz
25-01-23, 01:16
10847MHz Vertical 23000 3/4
BBC One Lon HD showing up as 6945
1:0:19:1B21:802:2:11A0000:0:0:0:
BrianG61UK
25-01-23, 04:54
I'm using Sky UK region "Thames Valley SD Custom" with HD swap in ABM.
I already have "BBC One Sth HD" as 101 and a generic BBC One SD as both 801 and 115.
I think many, if not all, BBC One SD channels are moving to a new transponder before all the regional BBC One HD channels start up. But it may all happen quite soon.
abu baniaz
25-01-23, 10:06
One of the links in post 3 above has the dates.
10847MHz Vertical 23000 3/4
BBC One Lon HD showing up as 6945
1:0:19:1B21:802:2:11A0000:0:0:0:
This is not true. SID 6945 leads to video PID 5400 which is BBC One HD. This has been like this for the last several years.
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| Channel | Freesat update | Sky update |
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| BBC One South | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC One NI | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC Two NI | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC One East | 30/01/2023 | 31/01/2023 |
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| BBC One East Midlands | 30/01/2023 | 31/01/2023 |
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| BBC Alba | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One West Midlands | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Easy Yorks&Links | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Wales | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC Two Wales | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Red Button 1 | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One South West | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One West | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One CI | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One London | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Parliament | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One North East & Cum | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One North West | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Yorkshire | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Scotland | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One South East | 22/02/2023 | 23/02/2023 |
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I think many, if not all, BBC One SD channels are moving to a new transponder before all the regional BBC One HD channels start up. But it may all happen quite soon.I don't know if that is true.
Currently there are inactive transponders at 10729, 10744, 10758, 10832, 10862, and 10876 so it is quite possible any of these could be fired up and HD channels added.
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| Channel | Freesat update | Sky update |
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| BBC One South | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC One NI | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC Two NI | 23/01/2023 | 24/01/2023 |
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| BBC One East | 30/01/2023 | 31/01/2023 |
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| BBC One East Midlands | 30/01/2023 | 31/01/2023 |
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| BBC Alba | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One West Midlands | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Easy Yorks&Links | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Whales | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC Two Whales | 06/02/2023 | 07/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Red Button 1 | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One South West | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One West | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One CI | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One London | 13/02/2023 | 14/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Parliament | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One North East & Cum | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One North West | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Yorkshire | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One Scotland | 20/02/2023 | 21/02/2023 |
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| BBC One South East | 22/02/2023 | 23/02/2023 |
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Thar she blows!
BrianG61UK
25-01-23, 15:11
This is not true. SID 6945 leads to video PID 5400 which is BBC One HD. This has been like this for the last several years.
Weirdly, it seems to have a London region Sky EPG now.
BrianG61UK
25-01-23, 15:17
Hmm.
https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_( UK_%26_Ireland)
Weirdly, it seems to have a London region Sky EPG now.
Would need to grab the transport stream and read it. But always was linked to video PID 5400 and still listed as such on king-of-sat.
But possible...??? BBC One HD on 10847 is transmitting London region???
BrianG61UK
26-01-23, 00:03
Would need to grab the transport stream and read it. But always was linked to video PID 5400 and still listed as such on king-of-sat.
But possible...??? BBC One HD on 10847 is transmitting London region???
I haven't remembered to check yet, but the web page I linked to above in #12 (https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?65751-28-2E-BBC-regional-channels-going-HD&p=530643&viewfull=1#post530643) suggests it is still carrying generic BBC One HD (as you said) but incorrectly paired with the BBC One London EPG.
10818 V 22000 DVB-S 5/6 QPSK >> 10818 V 23000 DVB-S2 3/4 8PSK just switched. Currently carrying BBC One East Midlands HD. No other channels.
South West SD moved to 10773.
South HD on 12168.
Oxford currently gone and Freesat Oxford now tunes BBC One South HD.
BrianG61UK
26-01-23, 02:37
The BBC have set up two fallback BBC One (national) SD channels. Similar to the message viewers currently see on the BBC One HD channel advising viewers to switch the SD channels to view regional news, the BBC is now showing a similar screen when regional news isn't shown on the fallback SD channels.
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They're calling this generic BBC One with no local programming "BBC One NightLight".
abu baniaz
26-01-23, 14:50
This is not true. SID 6945 leads to video PID 5400 which is BBC One HD. This has been like this for the last several years.
You are correct, my post is wrong. I had gone by the EPG, selecting the channel when BBC one London news is on shows the message about changing to SD channel.
abu baniaz
15-02-23, 14:57
Not sure about other areas, but I think this needs deleting for london areas
<channel number="101" with="115" conditional="'BBC One' in service_hd['service_name']"/> <!-- BBC One HD -->
For an sd list, there is a
BBC One HD on 115
BBC One Lon HD on 801
I use the ABM London SD Custom bouquet and also the London Freesat bouquet. Freesat has updated 101 to BBC1 London HD and has removed the BBC1 London SD service which was on 106 and has a "Channel moved" service name in that position. Presumably, they will either delete that or move another channel into position 106 in time.
I see you've moved a generic BBC1 SD service into 115 on the Sky London SD bouquet. I had downloaded xml update and run a providers update before re-running ABM.
ABM set West Country, Generic bbc one HD on 101 bbc one West Country sd on 115, new bbc one West Country HD in recently scanned, how do I get the new channel in the correct place, I'm assuming it's a configuration file change but what needs to be changed.
https://github.com/oe-alliance/AutoBouquetsMaker/blob/master/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers/sat_282_sky_uk.xml#L235-L238
Move 801 and 802 lines above 115 lines should cure it. I can't test at the moment.
801 is the generic bbc one HD, I Need to assign bbc q South west hd to 801 so it can be swapped in to the main bouquet. It's currently only available in the last scanned.
801 is the generic bbc one HD, I Need to assign bbc q South west hd to 801 so it can be swapped in to the main bouquet. It's currently only available in the last scanned.801 should be a simulcast of whatever is at 101.
abu baniaz
16-02-23, 04:10
For London, During news, 101 says you need to get hd box. 115 says to tune to 101. 801 is the local news in HD.
Last set of changes are next week.
abu baniaz
16-02-23, 08:18
https://github.com/oe-alliance/AutoBouquetsMaker/blob/master/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers/sat_282_sky_uk.xml#L235-L238
Move 801 and 802 lines above 115 lines should cure it. I can't test at the moment.
That did not work. However, the FTA HD bouquet has BBC One Lon HD at position 1 for me.
abu baniaz
16-02-23, 19:17
Just connected an official Sky HD box, the card is not paired.
101 = BBC one London HD
115 = BBC One HD - switch to bbc one for latest news
801 = BBC One- Upgrade to HD....
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Edit: IIRC, we had some code for the FTAHD bouquet that seems to be doing the trick. We previously had the HDfirst section that was removed when the code was adapted.
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ABM set West Country, Generic bbc one HD on 101 bbc one West Country sd on 115, new bbc one West Country HD in recently scanned, how do I get the new channel in the correct place, I'm assuming it's a configuration file change but what needs to be changed.So, what is at 801?
Edit: IIRC, we had some code for the FTAHD bouquet that seems to be doing the trick. We previously had the HDfirst section that was removed when the code was adapted.Can you tell me what you are trying to achieve in ABM that is not right now?
Please state area, channel positions without swaps, channel positions with swaps.
BTW, obviously the Sky HD box is going to be using HD ordering.
we had some code for the FTAHD bouquet that seems to be doing the trick.FTA_HD bouquet uses the same swapDict as the main and sections bouquets.
abu baniaz
16-02-23, 19:44
Can you tell me what you are trying to achieve in ABM that is not right now?
Please state area, channel positions without swaps, channel positions with swaps.
BTW, obviously the Sky HD box is going to be using HD ordering.
There are pictures attached to avoid the misunderstandings/confusions as well as logs. The change on post 18 works fine for me in my area.
I use ABM Sky London SD custom bouquet (with HD swap). BBC1 London HD is at position 101 and is as Sky/Freesat intended - the regional HD channel. The Freesat ABM bouquet also has BBC1 London HD at position 101 and has "channel removed" at position 106. No BBC1 SD regional service on Freesat. ABM seems ok to me, bot on Freesat and Sky - I don't worry about the BBC1 SD service which is going to disappear in any case.
There are pictures attached to avoid the misunderstandings/confusions as well as logs. The change on post 18 works fine for me in my area.So the choices are:
1) just delete 115 swap, or,
2) make it conditional for the areas that still need it.
My choice would be 1.
abu baniaz
17-02-23, 08:41
I agree with your choice too. There is no way I am checking every region to conditionalise it. If we need to review it, people will need to add their debug log/show screenshots. Can you commit the change, I won't have a chance till the evening. If Brian or anyone else submits the pull request I can merge it in the phone after I wake up.
I can create a pull request if needed. Does BBC 2 swap need deleting aswel?
<channel number="102" with="115" conditional="'BBC Two' in service_hd['service_name']"/> <!-- BBC Two HD -->
I agree with your choice too. There is no way I am checking every region to conditionalise it. If we need to review it, people will need to add their debug log/show screenshots. Can you commit the change, I won't have a chance till the evening. If Brian or anyone else submits the pull request I can merge it in the phone after I wake up.
The final regions will be complete during the coming week and all BBC1 regions will be HD on 101, so is it worth it? Maybe just go for @Huevos's option 1? I just started up my old Humax Freesat HD receiver (set to London) and London HD is on 101, with a message on 106, saying "Channel moved - your region is now HD on 101". In the 900's are the regional BBC channels. Only a couple in the NE and SE are still on SD. There is a national BBC1 HD channel, but no national BBC1 SD channel available in the EPG/channel list (as this is a HD receiver in any case).
Closed my pull request I don't think all regions have changed yet
North West Yorkshire has BBC one HD on 115 with no channel on 801
This screen shot is from sky TV guide online using North West Yorkshire HD
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The final regions including NW, NE, Yorkshire and Scotland due to changeover on Tuesday next ( 21st). That will complete the regional switch to HD.
Maybe best leaving it till next week when all regions have changed
abu baniaz
17-02-23, 15:45
I am inclined to change it. It has changed for most regions. For the regions that have not changed, 801 will be empty and the swap will not occur. Both 101 and 115 are in the same bouquet.
BrianG61UK
17-02-23, 19:45
So the choices are:
1) just delete 115 swap, or,
2) make it conditional for the areas that still need it.
My choice would be 1.
Mine too.
I did it in the custommix file on my box a few days ago.
del customised["video"][115] # Remove 115 which seems to be a duplicate of 801 at present
The final regions including NW, NE, Yorkshire and Scotland due to changeover on Tuesday next ( 21st). That will complete the regional switch to HD.My guess is the hi-band transponder will close.
I've now got BBC1 South HD on 101, 106 is channel moved. 115 is ITV3 HD.
BBC1 South HD signal strength is not good - 43 - 48%. All other BBC channels are 63%+, including BBC1 HD on 972.
Slightly puzzled by the difference in signal strength.
I've now got BBC1 South HD on 101, 106 is channel moved. 115 is ITV3 HD.
BBC1 South HD signal strength is not good - 43 - 48%. All other BBC channels are 63%+, including BBC1 HD on 972.
Slightly puzzled by the difference in signal strength.
Maybe your LNB/dish performs crap on hi-band. But anyway, if the picture is stable don't worry about it.
Thanks. The picture/sound are breaking up.
Looking at other Hi-band services, Freesat UHD/4K demo at 12441 is at 84%. So that Hi-band is OK. But others on the BBC1 South frequency 12168 are much the same.
I'm using a GigaBlue Ultra Unicable SCR-LNB / 24 SCR and Triax 83cm dish.
Is there any simple check of LNB and dish I can do??
12441 is on Pan European beam.
Now that the regional channel changes to HD are complete, there seems to be a remaining issue on the Sky bouquet. Position 115 should have BBC3HD and BBC Parliament HD should be in the news section at 504, but the SD versions are there instead. I know @BrianG61UK submitted a change to the xml files yesterday but I think that perhaps the ABM provider swaps (for 115 etc.) need to be revisited to provide BBC3 HD at position 115 and BBC Parliament HD at position 504 in the Sky bouquet. I have run the xml update and rebooted and run ABM also, but only the SD versions are in the main bouquets. BBC3HD is at position 845 and Parliament HD is at position 887 in the Secondary Channels section.
abu baniaz
24-02-23, 17:04
I merged those pull requests. They are working for me. I presume you have updated provider files in ABM. If so and you still have a problem, can you please upload debug log.
I merged those pull requests. They are working for me. I presume you have updated provider files in ABM. If so and you still have a problem, can you please upload debug log.
Is that PLi?
abu baniaz
24-02-23, 17:46
Is that PLi?
The pull requests were to ABM, I merged those.
The screenshot is from PLI since there is no Vix developer image for my test box.
Attached now is a screenshot from Vix 6.3 002
What is the test box? Do you want it added to Dev?
abu baniaz
24-02-23, 17:55
The box is a H9S SE. Yes, please re-add to Dev
Ralf mentioned the Duo 4k several times. @Judge and myself use that
The pull requests were to ABM, I merged those.
The screenshot is from PLI since there is no Vix developer image for my test box.
Attached now is a screenshot from Vix 6.3 002
I've tested on Vix Rel 6.3.002 and the latest dev, but I'm not seeing the HD channels as you are abu. I assumed the .xml and ABM provider files were image agnostic, so is my assumption wrong?
abu baniaz
24-02-23, 21:21
I've tested on Vix Rel 6.3.002 and the latest dev, but I'm not seeing the HD channels as you are abu. I assumed the .xml and ABM provider files were image agnostic, so is my assumption wrong?
It does not matter what image you are on, so you are correct. However, the swaps are done using the file on your box. If the ABM version check passes, you can update the provider files using the "update provider files" function in ABM.
As the regions have different numbering, this may be the cause of the issue and may need fine tuning. This is why I had asked for your debug log so that I could run with the options you set.
I am presuming you updated the provider files.
EDIT:
There is an old issue where transferring by FTP does not cause the cache version to be overwritten. This is why I always delete providers.cache when manually transferring files across.
EDIT 2:
Can we please not start adding satellites.xml file into this discussion. It is irrelevant to ABM, other than for validating orbital position.
I've tested on Vix Rel 6.3.002 and the latest dev, but I'm not seeing the HD channels as you are abu. I assumed the .xml and ABM provider files were image agnostic, so is my assumption wrong?
We don't allow download of xml files from different versions. And we bump the version when there is a possibility of incompatibility.
We don't allow download of xml files from different versions. And we bump the version when there is a possibility of incompatibility.
I'm not sure what this means @Huevos. Can't see what "don't allow download" actually means in practice.
abu baniaz
25-02-23, 02:10
ABM is currently version 3.3. Anybody with an ABM version lower than 3.3 cannot update the provider files in ABM. The last increase was 10th August 2021.
https://github.com/oe-alliance/AutoBouquetsMaker/commits/master/AutoBouquetsMaker/src/version.py
I'm not sure what this means @Huevos. Can't see what "don't allow download" actually means in practice.
ABM updates on software update/reflash. This is always allowed because all the files (py, xml, so) are changed in sync.
It is also possible to update provider files via the ABM menu between builds. This is only allowed if the version matches.
If you swap in xml files from a different version manually ABM is most likely going to crash.
We only bump the version when incompatibilities would cause a crash.
Finally found the issue! My Sky bouquet in ABM on my Quad+ (running Rel 6.3.002) is set to London Custom SD ( I can't recall why it was set like that). I changed to London SD (with swap) and re-ran the provider files update and ran ABM. BBC3HD and BBC ParliamentHD now swapped in correctly.
abu baniaz
05-12-23, 02:22
https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/bbc-issues-three-month-warning-ahead-of-tv-channel-closure/
From 8th January, viewers tuning to BBC standard definition channels on satellite will see a ‘channel closed’ message. This will direct remaining viewers to the available support that’s on offer.
https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/itv-closing-three-more-sd-channels-on-sky-and-freesat/
ITV has confirmed it will begin switching off SD channels via satellite on Tuesday 9th January 2024.
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