Inactive tuners

[mitchelln]

Hi.
I upgraded my box to the latest OpenVix version and have since noticed that the box will now only record two things, whereas before it would happily record at least 4 channels.
I went to the Tuner setup page and noticed that Tuners C and above are now showing as unavailable.
Any ideas what has changed please?
Thanks!

[mitchelln]

Here's a screenshot.
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[slacker17]

Have you tried setting tuner B as FBC automatic?

[abu baniaz]

FBC Automatic is internal loop through when required. When not being used, they show as inactive. However, you can't access tuner config when recordings are taking place if you are on a Release image.

There was tuner logic change that might affect what the OP is reporting. However, I don't know if the "equal to" selection is playing a part in this. Most people would use simple, single, 28.2

Are these blank/failed recordings or does the software say no free tuners?

[Huevos]

I can't see anything wrong with your tuner config but Abu might have a point about "equal to". With your current config you can record from a maximum of 2 sub-bands.

[mitchelln]

Thanks for the reply. This did used to work, but now it warns of a tuner conflict if I try to record more than two programmes that over lap.
What should I try setting the tuner config to?
Thanks!

[abu baniaz]

Both should be simple, single, 28.2.

It would help if you could say name of channels, transponder/polarisation. And attach debug log.

[Huevos]

Like I said, up to 2 sub-bands at once. So you could record 8 as long as they are on 2 sub-bands.

If you want more, get a Unicable II LNB.

[abu baniaz]

So why did it work before and not now?

[abu baniaz]

I am pretty sure that I uploaded a video of recording over 28 channels before using a Universal LNB.

[Huevos]

On up to 8 transponders.

[mitchelln]

I've set them both to simple single. Let's see if that works! It did work before how it was though. Thanks for all the help.

[abu baniaz]

When you get the conflict message, can you select a channel and then record it instead of setting a timer?

[abu baniaz]

@Mitchelin
I was able to record many channels using PLI. On one test I got 40 (forty recordings) They have an issue with efilepush which causes the box to lock up.
ViX went a different and better root and does not suffer from this lockup problem.

A recording of the process is here


https://www.mediafire.com/file/ggdhllq1dnkukqo/Fbc-_Twin_Universal_2022-07_02.m4v/file


On ViX, I got the same conflict as you.

[abu baniaz]

The last commit does not fix the issue.


Current problems
1. Unavailable services do not hide/fade immediately.

I record:
BBC one Lon (10773 H 22000)
BBC Two HD (10847 V 2300)

ITV HD (12363 V 27500) should be greyed out. It isn't immediately. Trying to record it invokes a conflict correctly. Activating/selecting it causes the "no free tuner" message , it is then greyed out.

2. I continue to record services in the Freesat All channels bouquet, for london/london. When I get to ITV3 +1, I get the timer conflict. This should not happen as I can select the channel and then record it.


3. The conflict timers does not list the timers services correctly. Just numbers them.

[Huevos]

The last commit does not fix the issue.


Current problems
1. Unavailable services do not hide/fade immediately.

I record:
BBC one Lon (10773 H 22000)
BBC Two HD (10847 V 2300)

ITV HD (12363 V 27500) should be greyed out. It isn't immediately. Trying to record it invokes a conflict correctly. Activating/selecting it causes the "no free tuner" message , it is then greyed out.

2. I continue to record services in the Freesat All channels bouquet, for london/london. When I get to ITV3 +1, I get the timer conflict. This should not happen as I can select the channel and then record it.


3. The conflict timers does not list the timers services correctly. Just numbers them.

What is the tuner config for this report?

[abu baniaz]

Simple, single, 28.2 for tuners A and B.

[Huevos]

Does this only happen when FBC tuners are involved?

I can only do limited testing because the only Universal I have is on a motor. If I start a recording on that on a vertical it doesn't seem to understand that horizontal is not available. Nothing is greyed out and it tries to tune.

Can we go back through old images and find where it starts?

[abu baniaz]

I am not sure if only FBC tuners are affected, but this is where I discovered it. The "FBC automatic" is just "automatic/ondemand internal loop through". I would need to fully understand what should be available with one input in order to test with a non-FBC tuner. I have a 3t combo which is similar to solo2 with the internal loopthrough. Nobody has documented this in a manner that I can understand. I will try your Horizontal/Vertical scenario on the 3T Combo.

I first reported this on 19th November 2018, so not sure how far back we need to go. The only receiver that could have older images is the Solo 4K. My Solo 4K is with a friend and not going to be easy to get it off him.

[Huevos]

So to simplify just test one cable and anything else in loopthrough.

Channels must all be the same polarisation and all either higher than 11700 or all lower.

[abu baniaz]

Finally found the TM in an unmarked box under the bed.

OpenVix 5.4 008.007 Homebuild
(2021.02.08)

Reception Hardware:
Tuner A: No wire
Tuner B: Wire from universal LNB pointing at 28.2
Tuner C: No wire

Reception software:
Tuner A: Loop through from B
Tuner B: Simple, Single, 28.2
Tuner C: Disabled

Created the same bouquet as in previous test. Freesat London/London.
Selected BBC One Lon (Horizontal, 10773-Low)
As soon as I record BBC One Lon, all the Vertical and High channels are greyed out.
I then recorded Channel 4 SD (Horizontal, 10714-Low)

This should now tie me down to the two transponders in use.
Even though Channel 5 HD (Horizontal, 10964-low) is greyed out I was able to select it and got a no free tuner message. Ideally, I should not be able to select it if it is unavailable and greyed out.
I was able to select and record programs on E4, Film 4 and CBeebies which are on the two transponders in use. Although they did not show up in imers.xml



<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<timers>
<timer begin="1661360220" end="1661362500" serviceref="1:0:1:189D:7FD:2:11A0000:0:0:0:" repeated="0" rename_repeat="1" name="BBC News at Six" description="The latest national and international news stories from the BBC News team, followed by weather. Also in HD. [S]" afterevent="auto" justplay="0" always_zap="0" pipzap="0" conflict_detection="1" descramble="1" record_ecm="0" isAutoTimer="0" eit="1049">
<log code="5" time="1661361507">activating state 1</log>
<log code="0" time="1661361507">Found enough free space to record</log>
<log code="0" time="1661361507">Filename calculated as: &apos;/media/hdd/movie/20220824 1757 - BBC One Lon - BBC News at Six&apos;</log>
<log code="6" time="1661361507">prepare ok, waiting for begin</log>
<log code="5" time="1661361507">activating state 2</log>
<log code="11" time="1661361507">start recording on tuner: B</log>
</timer>
<timer begin="1661360221" end="1661362500" serviceref="1:0:1:23FB:7F9:2:11A0000:0:0:0:" repeated="0" rename_repeat="1" name="The Simpsons" description="Haw-Haw Land: Lisa meets a jazz-addicted boy and must choose between him and Nelson. And Bart takes up chemistry, but to what end? (S29 Ep10/21)" afterevent="auto" justplay="0" always_zap="0" pipzap="0" conflict_detection="1" descramble="1" record_ecm="0" isAutoTimer="0" eit="37549">
<log code="15" time="1661361565">record time changed, start prepare is now: Wed Aug 24 17:56:41 2022</log>
<log code="5" time="1661361565">activating state 1</log>
<log code="0" time="1661361565">Found enough free space to record</log>
<log code="0" time="1661361565">Filename calculated as: &apos;/media/hdd/movie/20220824 1757 - Channel 4 - The Simpsons_001&apos;</log>
<log code="6" time="1661361565">prepare ok, waiting for begin</log>
<log code="5" time="1661361565">activating state 2</log>
<log code="11" time="1661361565">start recording on tuner: A</log>
</timer>
</timers>

[Huevos]

So currently we have:
1) Py2 vs Py3
2) FBC vs conventional

So to go further we need to know which is the problem

[abu baniaz]

This was first identified in 2018 on a Solo4K, so to me, it can't be a Py2/Py3 issue. The 3T Combo is no longer supported by Vix, so somebody else with a Solo2 or any other receiver with internal loop through will have to check to definitively confirm.

[Huevos]

This was first identified in 2018 on a Solo4K, so to me, it can't be a Py2/Py3 issue. The 3T Combo is no longer supported by Vix, so somebody else with a Solo2 or any other receiver with internal loop through will have to check to definitively confirm.Ok, so not related to the Gigablue issue reported in the other thread then?

[abu baniaz]

I think it is the same thing, FBC tuners and Universal LNBs.

[Huevos]

In his thread he confirms he is using 2 cables. No loop from A to B and still reports a conflict.

[abu baniaz]

The issue is the same. The internal loop through is what the socket-less tuners are when using a universal LNB. You had asked to test on a non-FBC device.

[Huevos]

He says he has 2 tuners connected to 2 cables and once just one recording is started on one tuner some channels grey out even though the second root tuner is available.

Maybe that could be the same bug but the test is slightly different.

I would really like to know on a current image if 2 cable to a twin tuner receiver works properly.

Regarding 3T Combo we don't build any dags7356 boxes anymore. Apart from the tmtwin4k all the TMs we build now belong to the same family (dags7362).