VU+ Uno4K SE Questions

[aardvark5]

I did talk earlier to somebody at WOS but they were very busy and I didn't ask all my questions.

I've been an owner of a VU+ Solo2 for 10 years that I bought from WOS but recently found out about 8 demodulators and also fancied 4K.

If I bought the basic VU+ Uno4K SE with 1TB drive could I still be able to record 8 channels with my normal non-Unicable twin output LNB or do I need a Unicable LNB for that?

What would my Tuner Settings have to be set to?

Would I just plug my two cables coming from the LNB into the new Unicable LNB and then into the two inputs on the STB or do I just need one?

What advantages would having the DVB-T/T2/C Tuner added?

What would I need the USB Stick storage for?

I really appreciate your replies

[abu baniaz]

You can use a receiver with an FBC tuner without a unicable LNB. However, you will not receive full benefit.

With a universal / normal LNB, tuner config will be exactly the same as you have on the solo2. E.g, simple, single, 28.2.
This applies to all tuners with a signal wire.

You can actually record more than 8 channels with your solo2 as it is. But because you have two tuners (both connected to a dish) you are restricted to two transponders.

An FBC module/tuner consists of 8 tuners, but only has two physical connector ports. When you use it with a universal /normal LNB, 6 of them will be in loop through mode. This is because of the way a universal LNB works. It switches between the four bands/quadrants. High, low, vertical and horizontal.

Because the a unicable LNB does not do switching between high/low/vertical/horizontal, you can configure 8 tuners of the FBC tuner to use individual use bands that the unicable LNB communicates on.

[adm]

I did talk earlier to somebody at WOS but they were very busy and I didn't ask all my questions.

I've been an owner of a VU+ Solo2 for 10 years that I bought from WOS but recently found out about 8 demodulators and also fancied 4K.

If I bought the basic VU+ Uno4K SE with 1TB drive could I still be able to record 8 channels with my normal non-Unicable twin output LNB or do I need a Unicable LNB for that?

An Enigma 2 box running Openvix is capable of recording 8 or more programs simultaneously irrespective of the type of LNB and even if it has 1 tuner BUT there are limitations….

With single tuner it can only receive and record the channels carried on 1 transponder
so its not a choice of any available channels on the satellite.

With 2 tuners and a dual universal LNB (or two channels on a unicable LNB) you now have the choice of recording anything on 2 transponders

With multiple tuners, say 8 on a box with FBC tuners, connected to a unicable LNB you have the choice of recording anything on 8 transponders at the same time.



What advantages would having the DVB-T/T2/C Tuner added?


In the UK you could then also receive Freeview SD and HD terrestrial channels via an aerial. You can also record satellite and terrestrial channels at the same time.




What would I need the USB Stick storage for?


Its just another bit of storage. You could for instance store the EPG on it, or image backups, or picons etc. instead of using the hard disk.

[aardvark5]

Thanks for the replies, I've been out all night.

So if I buy the VU+ Uno4K SE and a Unicable LNB do I need one cable that plugs in the STB and I can record up to 8 channels with that as long as I setup the 8 tuners according to Abu Baniaz's guide?

What advantage would I have if I plugged both cables into the STB?
If I don't need two I could plug the other into my TV that has a satellite tuner.

Thanks

[abu baniaz]

You don't need two cables for an FBC tuner, one is fine. This is because the 8 tuners within the FBC tuner can share the input.

You can use a splitter with a Unicable and connect to TV. Make sure TV supports unicable. Most do.

[aardvark5]

You've been a great help but just one more thing:

At the very most there may be 4 programmes recorded at once, let's say BBC1, ITV 1, CH5 and E4, how would this be possible on my current setup of a normal twin LNB and VU+ Solo2?

[abu baniaz]

The bottom line answer is" it depends on the transponders they are on".

There are different versions of those channels, so not straight forward to answer. Use a skin like Simple 1080/Vix night HD. have a look at the channel selection (not grid EPG). It will tell you whether Horizontal or Vertical and what transponder it is on.


On Terrestrial (aerial), BBC 1 HD, BBC 2 HD, ITV 2 HD, Channel 4 HD are all on one frequency/transponder/multiplex. You can add a USB tuner and record all the channels on that frequency/transponder/multiplex. The USB Terrestrail tuners are relatively inexpensive and can be added to your receiver

[aardvark5]

Thanks Abu, I'm just going to buy a new STB and Unicable LNB so at least I'm future proofed.

[abu baniaz]

If you have access to Terrestrial, IMO best to add that too.

[christoscob]

Hello everyone i am looking to buy a VU+ UNO 4K SE , but i need a supplier that can give me gurantee and support (RMA , Technical Support) and he can ship to Europe Country (Cyprus)
Thanks.

[aardvark5]

I think this is my last question :)

Do I buy the VU+ Uno 4K + Terrestrial tuner + 1TB for £355.00 or the Gigablue UHD UE 4K UHD + Terrestrial tuner + 1TB for £289.00?
The price difference more than pays for the LNB I want - GT-Sat GT-S2DCSS24 SCR/dCSS Single Cable Unicable II LNB SCR24 with 2x Legacy Outputs £50

Any major differences I should know about?

[twol]

I would go for the Gigablue UHD UE 4K, better price/value. Had one since first shipment and have had no issues. (also have the UHD model)
Hardware wise not much to choose between them. Giga you have to lift casing top to install HDD (but not a big deal) where as Vu+ has a slide in mount from rear of box.
Gigablue supports multiboot directly (ability to install more than one image directly onto eMMC) in software whereas Vu+ only by plugin and usb - Multiboot is nice for trying different images and testing different image versions while retaining your main system image.

[aardvark5]

I would go for the Gigablue UHD UE 4K, better price/value. Had one since first shipment and have had no issues. (also have the UHD model)
Hardware wise not much to choose between them. Giga you have to lift casing top to install HDD (but not a big deal) where as Vu+ has a slide in mount from rear of box.
Gigablue supports multiboot directly (ability to install more than one image directly onto eMMC) in software whereas Vu+ only by plugin and usb - Multiboot is nice for trying different images and testing different image versions while retaining your main system image.

Thanks, looks like the Gigablue then.
Over the years I've helped to install quite a few systems with me recommending VU+, it will be a nice change.

[adm]

You've been a great help but just one more thing:

At the very most there may be 4 programmes recorded at once, let's say BBC1, ITV 1, CH5 and E4, how would this be possible on my current setup of a normal twin LNB and VU+ Solo2?

Go to a web such as



https://en.satexpat.com/sat/east/28.2/


and you can see what programs are carried on each transponder.

If all the programs you want to record are on two transponders you can record them all. In the example you give above the answer is no, you cannot record all of those at the same time beacuse they are on more than two transponders BUT if you wanted to simultaneously record

CH4, Film4, E4, BBC1 London, BBC2, BBC4, (all SD) then you could do so with your twin LNB and VU+ Solo2

As an experiment watch live TV on your Solo2. Now while watching a live program start recording it. Now using the channel selection button on your remote start going down the channels. You should be able to immediately watch a different live TV program - now record this as well. Continue selecting different channels - some you can watch and some the box will display a blank screen and say no free tuner. On every one you can watch start recording it. You will find that you are simultaneously recording 6+ channels.

[aardvark5]

Go to a web such as



https://en.satexpat.com/sat/east/28.2/


and you can see what programs are carried on each transponder.

If all the programs you want to record are on two transponders you can record them all. In the example you give above the answer is no, you cannot record all of those at the same time beacuse they are on more than two transponders BUT if you wanted to simultaneously record

CH4, Film4, E4, BBC1 London, BBC2, BBC4, (all SD) then you could do so with your twin LNB and VU+ Solo2

As an experiment watch live TV on your Solo2. Now while watching a live program start recording it. Now using the channel selection button on your remote start going down the channels. You should be able to immediately watch a different live TV program - now record this as well. Continue selecting different channels - some you can watch and some the box will display a blank screen and say no free tuner. On every one you can watch start recording it. You will find that you are simultaneously recording 6+ channels.

The other day I did actually record 3 at the same time experimenting and I got excited, I can't remember which channels but I couldn't do it when I really wanted to do 3.
I'm going to buy the Gigablue and Unicable LNB so we can record what we want, the wife has signed my request so all good :)

Thanks for your input

[aardvark5]

I've ordered the VU+ Uno 4K SE and GT-Sat GT-S2DCSS24

[aardvark5]

So far so good, I've got the Uno4K connected to my normal LNB and I've been recording and playing back with just one cable in LNB1.
Tomorrow I add the new LNB.

This GT-Sat GT-S2DCSS24 has got 3 outputs on it and I'm not sure which one I connect the cable to so I can setup the Tuners in this guide - https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?60640-GT-Sat-GT-dLNB1DY-and-tuner-configuration?
Legacy or DSCC?

If it's DCSS what are the Legacy outputs for?
If it's Legacy what is the DCSS output for?

Thanks for any help.

[abu baniaz]

Simple answer: just use unicable port.

Long answer :
That LNB has both technologies, Unicable/DCSS and Universal LNB. A typical usage is Unicable to several tuners/devices, legacy to Freesat receiver.

Golden rule is tuner config (software) must match the reception equipment (hardware) connected/hooked up/attached to it.

Bother, attachments missing from that thread. I'll see if I can find them again

[aardvark5]

Simple answer: just use unicable port.

Long answer :
That LNB has both technologies, Unicable/DCSS and Universal LNB. A typical usage is Unicable to several tuners/devices, legacy to Freesat receiver.

Golden rule is tuner config (software) must match the reception equipment (hardware) connected/hooked up/attached to it.

Bother, attachments missing from that thread. I'll see if I can find them again

Thanks for everything.

I put the cable in the DCSS output and I now have 8 channels I can record at the same time.
I've also got 5x Fire devices with an E2 plugin accessing it.
I've also bought the HDMI Splitter so my wife can watch on the main TV and it also feeds 20m under the floor to my TV in another room.

The only difference from your wonderful Unicable instructions is that when I get to Tuner C onwards I couldn't set Advanced but was only given FBC SCR (Unicable/JESS) or FBC Automatic so set to FBC SCR.

62666

[adm]

I put the cable in the DCSS output and I now have 8 channels I can record at the same time.


Actually you have the ability to record anything on 8 transponders - maybe 20+ channels before the box starts complaining :)