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Hi, I have 2 VU+ boxes which each have 2 twin FBC tuners (4 tuners on each box). Total of 8 tuners.
I have 1 VU+ box with 1 twin tuner. Total of 2 tuners.
I also have 2 Sky boxes which each have 2 tuners. Total of 4 tuners.
So in total I have 10 FBC tuners + 4 Sky+ HD tuners.
At the moment I have 2 standard LNB satellite dishes. I have a large Sky dish from many years ago and small Sky dish from a year or so ago.
I want to get Unicable for both dishes and connect VU+ boxes and 1 Sky dish to both dishes. The reason is that I use 1 dish for backup boxes when the other dish's caps get a glitch.
Could you please tell me what parts I need to change my dishes to Unicable for use with FBC tuners. Also what splitters do I need?
Do FBC tuners work with Sky+ HD boxes or do I need to get a Unicable LNB with legacy outputs for those? Thanks
I think you will need legacy outputs for the sky hd boxes but not positive.
All of the LNB's and splitters are here: https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=unicable
Forgot to mention that we have another 2 Sky+ HD boxes in the house connected to the 2 dishes. If it's only possible to get an LNB with 3 legacy outputs then there won't be enough outputs on 2 LNBs for all our Sky boxes as we have 4 Sky boxes and 2 dishes.
Put a universal octo lnb on one dish and a unicable on the other dish.
abu baniaz
10-11-20, 15:51
You have counted your tuners incorrectly.
Get a professional installer. He will discuss your recording/viewing needs and get you the correct equipment. Best he sees the equipment/layout.
HDMI sender/receiver may fulfill your requirements and save you running costs but allow you to view from official receiver.
Multiswitches and unicable switches used with quattro LNB with good cabling and a larger dish ( getting rid of smaller ones) may be the answer.
Didn't realise you had two Ultimo 4K units.
How did I count them incorrectly? A port a sat cable goes into on the box is called a tuner is it not?
Do you know if FBC tuners work with Sky+ HD boxes or do I need to get a Unicable LNB with legacy outputs for those? Thanks
abu baniaz
10-11-20, 20:11
How did I count them incorrectly? A port a sat cable goes into on the box is called a tuner is it not?
Do you know if FBC tuners work with Sky+ HD boxes
How would you use your FBC tuner modules in your Sky+ HD receiver?
How did I count them incorrectly? A port a sat cable goes into on the box is called a tuner is it not?
Are you counting physical connections only or are you counting the tuners/demodulators? They are not the same thing. If you have two FBC tuner modules/cards on your Ultimo 4k, you have 16 tuners. Don't the letters go to P? You still have one more slot.
Ring someone and talk to them before you throw more money at this.
Hi, I have 2 VU+ boxes which each have 2 twin FBC tuners (4 tuners on each box). Total of 8 tuners.
I have 1 VU+ box with 1 twin tuner. Total of 2 tuners.
I also have 2 Sky boxes which each have 2 tuners. Total of 4 tuners.
So in total I have 10 FBC tuners + 4 Sky+ HD tuners.
I was referring to physical tuners that the sat cable goes into. I have 10 sat cables that will go into 10 FBC tuners. I have 4 sat cables that go into 2 Sky+ boxes. I can call someone but was hoping somebody here might know the answer.
At the moment I have 4 Sky+ HD boxes with 8 cables going into them from 1 dish.
2nd dish has 4 cables going into an Ultimo with FBC tuners and another 4 going into a similar device that I'm going to buy with FBC tuners.
Would also like 2 sat cables spare from Unicable LNB for when I'm testing a new install.
Andy_Hazza
10-11-20, 20:47
@SkyFan you are confusing matters. FBC is a type of tuner. The correct Dish & LNB is what your require. Your LNB needs to be a Unicable II one to fully utilise your Vu+ Ultimo 4K receivers.
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abu baniaz
10-11-20, 20:52
I was referring to physical tuners that the sat cable goes into. I have 10 sat cables that will go into 10 FBC tuners. I have 4 sat cables that go into 2 Sky+ boxes. I can call someone but was hoping somebody here might know the answer.
But we have told you over the last few months and you continue to get it wrong.
Get rid of the two dish setup, get a bigger dish so your rain fade issue is nullified.
Option 1.
Use a quattro LNB.
Have one universal switch for the Sky equipment.
Trunk the universal switch into a unicable switch. The unicable switch will then provide all the Enigma receivers.
Option 2.
Have only One Sky receiver.
Use HDMI senders to your rooms so you can watch the HD stuff from the sky box in another room
Use a Unicable LNB with Universal outputs for the sky box. The Enigma2 receivers will use unicable 2. Most LNBs only have 24 SCR. You need 34 to cater for your Enigma2 receiver tuners fully.
Option 3
Have only One Sky receiver.
Use HDMI senders to your rooms so you can watch the HD stuff from the sky box in another room
Use a quattro LNB and unicable 2 switch. Sky receiver will use the legacy ports, Enigma2 receivers will use unicable 2. Most LNBs only have 24 SCR. You need 34 to cater for your Enigma2 receiver tuners fully.
The switches will allow you to connect an aerail and daisy chain it wherever the cables go.
Thanks. What did I get wrong? I said I have 10 sat cables that will go into 10 FBC tuners and that I have 4 sat cables that go into 2 Sky+ boxes. What's wrong about that?
Why would a bigger dish stop the rain fade issue?
I've had dropped frames even on my bigger dish even in good weather. It only happens once a month or so. It's not just dropped frames that I use a backup box for, it's if I forget to set recordings on my main box then my repeated timer on the backup box will get it. Also sometimes you can just be browsing the EPG and the box will crash, if that happens then my backup box will still cap things.
Why would a bigger dish stop the rain fade issue?
Google reckons a bigger dish reduces the impact of rain fade.
Put a universal octo lnb on one dish and a unicable on the other dish.
A octo is possible a circular aperture which is not ideal on a small sky oval dish, which is probably the same with a unicable LNB. This may be the problem that skyfan has on one of his dishes which, accordig to other posts, is unreliable.
I have a larger sky zone 2 dish in a zone 1 area and with my quad LNB I only get rain fade when the road outside of my house beacomes a two inch deep river, and around twice a year for a period of around 10 minutes.
abu baniaz
10-11-20, 22:28
An FBC satellite tuner card/module is 8 tuners. 2 have physical connections, 6 do not have connections. Your setup has to cater for the correct number of tuners. Get it correct.
1 FBC satellite card = 8 tuners
2 FBC satellite cards = 16 tuners
3 FBC satellite cards = 24 tuners
4 FBC satellite cards = 32 tuners
A box crashing does will not prevent other boxes using that dish from functioning. Get your hardware setup correct so you don't get problems in future
I think you guys need to come up with a different name then for physical tuners and non-physical tuners to avoid confusion. I wasn't confused but you seem to be confused about what I'm referring to. I was always referring to physical tuners and I said "I have 2 VU+ boxes which each have 2 twin FBC tuners (4 tuners on each box)". I thought that was pretty clear what I was referring to as I said the word "twin". When I said twin FBC tuners that is the name that World of Satellite calls them here: https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/vu-plus-dvb-s2x-fbc-tuner-module?filter_name=fbc%20tuner
What am I supposed to call the physical tuners if twin FBC tuner isn't the correct name? The non-physical tuners aren't the issue, it's the number of physical sat cable ports available on my dishes that's my issue.
abu baniaz
10-11-20, 23:21
An FBC tuner card/module always comes in the combination I said (2+6 =8). You actually have two FBC cards/modules in the ultimo 4k, not four! Call the card/unit "DVB S2X satellite FBC module".
For the last time, you need to cater for 16 tuners/demodulators on the Ultimo 4K (based on your last description). You can fit another card in the legacy port! If you do not accept this, you will keep getting it wrong. If you ignore the ones without the physical connection, you will not get adequate hardware and will also configure them incorrectly. Your refusal to accept this is probably why you want to buy another receiver.
Anyway, good luck. I am not going to spend any more time as the suggestion have already been given in post 11. Its your money and time.
What is the legacy port you're refrerring to? I thought you can only fit 2 twin FBC modules to a box? That's what World of Satellite told me.
What is the legacy port you're refrerring to? I thought you can only fit 2 twin FBC modules to a box? That's what World of Satellite told me.
There is also another slot for another standard satellite or cable/terrestrial tuner as well as the 2 FBC tuners
abu baniaz
11-11-20, 00:34
That's what World of Satellite told me.
It depends what you asked. If you asked "How many FBC satellites cards can I fit in the box?", then 2 is the correct answer. If you asked how many and what kind of tuner cards can I fit in an Ultimo 4k? You would have got a different answer.
Didn't you see the picture I posted for you?
https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?63525-ITV-London-HD-shows-Tune-Failed&p=504842&viewfull=1#post504842
>Why would a bigger dish stop the rain fade issue?
Because a larger dish effectively has a narrower beam with a greater signal gain to cope with weaker signals. Which can be the result of geographic location and atmospheric conditions. A larger dish has to be aligned more accurately.
I use a 64cm dish in UK and Northern France, but 85cm in Switzerland for Astra2 to cope with reduced signal strength.
A sky dish is the cheapest and most rubbishy bit of kit. Designed for a single purpose. Works best in a skip.
>Why would a bigger dish stop the rain fade issue?
Because a larger dish effectively has a narrower beam with a greater signal gain to cope with weaker signals. Which can be the result of geographic location and atmospheric conditions. A larger dish has to be aligned more accurately.
I use a 64cm dish in UK and Northern France, but 85cm in Switzerland for Astra2 to cope with reduced signal strength.
A sky dish is the cheapest and most rubbishy bit of kit. Designed for a single purpose. Works best in a skip.
No, a sky dish when matched with a suitable (oval aperture) LNB and pointed at a satellite that it was designed for in a country where the signal from the satellite is aimed works well for millions of people. It will not work well the as you go out of the satellite main footprint area and is probably not suitable for mobile use. For a purchase price of under £25 on Ebay for the dish, LNB, and including postage it is good value for money!
What???
Think you need to read the post correctly. I was answering his Q about a bigger dish!!
A sky dish is OK but limited. As you say designed for one purpose.
The OP was asking about bigger dishes - not a bigger sky dish. What I wrote about signal strength wrt rain fade and location is correct. And I alluded to being designed for single purpose - including - "A sky dish is the cheapest and most rubbishy bit of kit. Designed for a single purpose."
Indeed you wrote last night "Get rid of the two dish setup, get a bigger dish so your rain fade issue is nullified." The OP then asked his Q, which I answered correctly with an example. Because no-one else had answered it!!
abu baniaz
02-12-20, 17:33
Item 154149212602 on a popular auction site. £33 for a 16 channel switch. Cheaper ones available but saves faffing about to get a PSU. You will have to get a quattro LNB.
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