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Red Alert
16-01-20, 16:53
Hi All,

Just bought this receiver instead of Octagon. Read online that the receiver does not support Sr of less than 1000. Is this still the case? I need to pick up channels from 21.5 east and some channels have symbol rate of 255. Example: 11599 H SR 255 3/4

Thanks

twol
16-01-20, 19:30
Try it - never heard of this issue - usually its the very high values that may have an issue on some receivers.

Huevos
18-01-20, 22:06
According to the tuner spec returned by delsys the tuners of neither of these receivers are capable of 255 symbol rate. Also there are no DTH tv channels with that symbol rate, only radio channels. What is your "need to pick these up"?

norhap
18-01-20, 23:10
Device Availink AVL6261 (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) capabilities:
CAN_2G_MODULATION
CAN_FEC_1_2
CAN_FEC_2_3
CAN_FEC_3_4
CAN_FEC_4_5
CAN_FEC_5_6
CAN_FEC_6_7
CAN_FEC_7_8
CAN_FEC_8_9
CAN_FEC_AUTO
CAN_GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
CAN_HIERARCHY_AUTO
CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
CAN_MULTISTREAM
CAN_QPSK
CAN_RECOVER
CAN_TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
DVB API Version 5.11, Current v5 delivery system: DVBS2
Supported delivery systems:
[DVBS2]
DVBS
Frequency range for the current standard:
From: 950 MHz
To: 2.15 GHz
Step: 1.01 MHz
Tolerance: 5.00 MHz
Symbol rate ranges for the current standard:
From: 0Bauds
To: 60.0 MBauds
SEC: set voltage to OFF

if true only radio channels with that SR.
In theory if the entire range is included ..... (see range SR).

By the way on that frequency from my area is not able to capture that radio channel.

Huevos
20-01-20, 22:40
Just because it says it doesn't mean it will do it.

norhap
20-01-20, 22:52
Exactly, that's why I said that in "theory" I don't know if you understand the expression.

I have also seen Vu + tuners without capabilities for the FEC 8/9 range only until 7/8, however this does not impact anything and if they capture any service in that FEC range.

Huevos
21-01-20, 01:26
Exactly, that's why I said that in "theory" I don't know if you understand the expression.

I have also seen Vu + tuners without capabilities for the FEC 8/9 range only until 7/8, however this does not impact anything and if they capture any service in that FEC range.LOL

That box won't scan anything below 800 in my experience and cut-off for blindscan driver is 2000.

norhap
22-01-20, 18:52
and cut-off for blindscan driver is 2000.
Do you mean any receiver with blindscan support?

Huevos
22-01-20, 20:03
No, I mean in the Edison blindscan binary, unless they have changed it again.

The plugin has a bottom limit of 1000, but there is a tolerance built in so will go to 800 at a push... but only if the manufacturer's binary supports this.

But it it is impossible to see what the manufacturer's binary includes because it is closed source code... so every man and his dog just blames the plugin when the plugin really has nothing to do with it. The plugin just runs the filters selected by the user in the GUI. Anything returned by the manufacturer's binary outside the filtered range specified by the user is dumped. But if the manufacturer's binary fails to return something inside the filtered range that is the fault of the binary, not the plugin.

norhap
23-01-20, 20:40
the manufacturer must have modified,...Edision You can go down in blind search cut 2000.
11482 H SR 1483 21.6E [OK]

stephan94
27-01-20, 18:58
there is nothing to change on the Edision blindscan.
In February 2019 here is the result of blindscan with a Mio4K.
You see it finds up to a sr of 1000

59640

abu baniaz
27-01-20, 19:02
Are you categorically stating the binary has not changed?

If so, how have you compared/confirmed this?

Huevos
28-01-20, 16:19
@stephan94, with the current ViX 5.3.015 release image, żis it scanning multi-stream and T2MI correctly? Does it play T2MI correctly? Has the tuner blocking bug gone?

norhap
28-01-20, 20:21
OS mio + 4k release 5.3.014 SAT 4.8 E, from spain, not bug...blocking tuner

12341 30000 H T2-MI stream ID 40 8996-400 [OK] 8 channels.
12341 30000 H T2-MI stream ID 30 10-300 [NOK]
12188 30000 H T2-MI stream ID 10 8996-1000 [NOK]
12188 30000 H T2-MI stream ID 20 8996-200 [NOK]

Red Alert
03-02-20, 12:07
Thanks for replies all. I havnt been able to test yet as I had an issue with Stab motor, so replacement coming today. I was scanning 21.5 before but always had no signal, thought could be issue with low SR but recently found motor not tracking properly. Am i right in thinking anything lower than 1000 will not work on blindscan but will work on manual scan?

Huevos
03-02-20, 17:24
Try it to see. Drivers have been updated several times and there was a kernel update a few days ago.

norhap
03-02-20, 23:11
In my tests I have been able to reach SR 1110, in manual search.
What initially confused me, is that the blind scan plugin, its default filter in initial symbol rate was 2,(never logically down in search below 2000), which was my surprise that if I filter it in the GUI to 1 I could get to scan and find channels between 2000 and 1000 SR.

Those low radio SR, with which the post was opened, at least in my case, does not tune any.

Huevos
04-02-20, 00:22
What initially confused me, is that the blind scan plugin, its default filter in initial symbol rate was 2,(never logically down in search below 2000), which was my surprise that if I filter it in the GUI to 1 I could get to scan and find channels between 2000 and 1000 SR.

I don't understand a word "(never logically down in search below 2000)".

stephan94
04-02-20, 13:39
Hello ,
As often after an update there are side effects that are not welcome.
On the 5 ° West satellite, an MIS frequency was no longer found and without signal with kernel 5.3, but with kernel 5.4
she was found again.
Unfortunately with the new 5.5 kernel the problem appears again, and the frequency is no longer found and has no signal.
this was done with OATV, but this is independent of the image used

It is always a step forward, a step back.:confused:

stephan94
04-02-20, 14:16
@stephan94, with the current ViX 5.3.015 release image, żis it scanning multi-stream and T2MI correctly? Does it play T2MI correctly? Has the tuner blocking bug gone?

and as I just mentioned in the previous post, the 5.5 kernel has heartbreaking side effects :rolleyes:
12627 H MIS 5°west kernel 5.4 OpenVix OK
12627 H MIS 5°west Kernel 5.5 OpenViK KO

norhap
04-02-20, 17:37
I don't understand a word "(never logically down in search below 2000)".

What I don't understand is how the complement starts with an initial speed of 2 ... when the driver can lower these SR values.

norhap
04-02-20, 18:34
and as I just mentioned in the previous post, the 5.5 kernel has heartbreaking side effects :rolleyes:
12627 H MIS 5°west kernel 5.4 OpenVix OK
12627 H MIS 5°west Kernel 5.5 OpenViK KO

no problem python 2.7.16 branch 4.4 kernel 5.5 with os mio + 4k

https://i.postimg.cc/BbPtQKW7/r.jpg (https://postimg.cc/kR97TDgW)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRShyvyD/r1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HJBNqxzQ)

Huevos
04-02-20, 21:58
What I don't understand is how the complement starts with an initial speed of 2 ... when the driver can lower these SR values.Because 2000 is a good default lower limit for a blindscan. This has nothing to do with drivers. Blindscan is for finding feeds and unknown DTH. Users can change this if they want, but most feeds are 5000 or above.

Huevos
04-02-20, 22:00
no problem python 2.7.16 branch 4.4 kernel 5.5 with os mio + 4k

https://i.postimg.cc/BbPtQKW7/r.jpg (https://postimg.cc/kR97TDgW)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRShyvyD/r1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HJBNqxzQ)What skin and image is that?

norhap
04-02-20, 23:02
What skin and image is that?

Some time ago I offered it, Sicilian liked the idea even to you for being a fairly complete skin on your vix screens, but it all stayed there.
I have everything in the open git in case you want to incorporate it, the skin is updated and I rely on the old turquoise-hd of GB of daconi.


Because 2000 is a good default lower limit for a blindscan. This has nothing to do with drivers. Blindscan is for finding feeds and unknown DTH. Users can change this if they want, but most feeds are 5000 or above.

I thought the filters were indicated by the driver ... a friend with octagon sf8008 has it at 1 by default.

my image is based with latest branch oe alliance:

https://github.com/norhap/vix-u5pvr

my skin:
https://github.com/norhap/Turquoise-HD

Huevos
05-02-20, 01:00
The default is 2000, but just change it and the plugin remembers. Next time you go in the plugin it will show what you selected, not the defaults.

Press BLUE and all the defaults will be restored.

Do you push your Spanish translation back to ViX?

If you can pack your skin in a ".ipk" file we can put it on the 3rd party feeds.

norhap
05-02-20, 10:43
The default is 2000, but just change it and the plugin remembers. Next time you go in the plugin it will show what you selected, not the defaults.

Press BLUE and all the defaults will be restored.

If I understand that, what has misled me is the bad indication of my friend when I asked him if he had leaked something manual in the complement and his answer was NO, in his octagon he had 1 as initial speed, he has given me bad information there My doubts.


Do you push your Spanish translation back to ViX?

I will send branch dev a request to extract my translation into Spanish.


If you can pack your skin in a ".ipk" file we can put it on the 3rd party feeds.
Tonight I will send you here the code, invent something in your environment to pick me up in your feed in the form of a recipe, so the skin will always be updated, I make changes when I see a bad screen.
the skin is very clean, ... look debug and you will notice.

stephan94
05-02-20, 14:13
no problem python 2.7.16 branch 4.4 kernel 5.5 with os mio + 4k


So there is now a difference in development between MIO4k and MIO + 4k
because on the MIO4k the python of the latest version is 2.7.15.
branch 4.4 I don't know what it is, and where can I see it?

I have just tried again, without success, the Kernel 5.5 with python 2.7.15 cannot see this frequency.
Unlike in the past versions 5.2 and earlier as well as version 5.4.

stephan94
05-02-20, 15:19
By trying on your skin (very beautiful by the way) and staying very long
on the problematic frequency after more than a minute the signal finally appeared
the programs were also found but after these programs remained without signal (error tuner)
With kernel 5.4 the 12627 H is always found and locked right away.
So there is a negative change with this new kernel (at least for the MIO4K)

PS, I did not succeed as on your screenshot to have a list of the programs found
with different colors that indicate if it's encrypted, radio or FTA.
If you can tell me how we get there.

thank you in advance

https://zupimages.net/up/20/06/ersy.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/06/ersy.jpg)

Huevos
05-02-20, 16:04
Tonight I will send you here the code, invent something in your environment to pick me up in your feed in the form of a recipe, so the skin will always be updated, I make changes when I see a bad screen.
the skin is very clean, ... look debug and you will notice.Can you send a ".bb" file and then we can build it directly.

Best way is always include an example ".bb" file in the root folder of the repo so everyone can build it.

norhap
05-02-20, 17:05
Can you send a ".bb" file and then we can build it directly.

Best way is always include an example ".bb" file in the root folder of the repo so everyone can build it.

That's right, that's what I had in mind, I have my bb for my skin ... tonight I upload it.

stephan94
05-02-20, 18:37
In fact this skin had already been presented here:
https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?60238-New-Skin-for-OpenVIX-U5PVR-HD/page2
maybe it's changed a bit now?

Huevos
05-02-20, 19:00
I think it is a problem with this new transalpine beam. Struggling with it on Vu Ultimo 4K too.

norhap
05-02-20, 19:34
In fact this skin had already been presented here:
https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?60238-New-Skin-for-OpenVIX-U5PVR-HD/page2
maybe it's changed a bit now?

That's right, that was my beginning, many things have already changed, for example the name of the skin.

Here I leave my code with which I compile it, I hope it serves.

norhap
05-02-20, 20:57
@huevos, my skin, is updated to not use the old messagebox code with pixmap, infopixmap, ErrorPixmap, QuestionPixmap, just use "icon" lansav code and that you do not have updated in the skins, I tell you this because you are going to try My skin and errors in this type of screens (messagebox). only use MultiPixmap "icon"..may have errors I don't know!!!

skin commit:

https://github.com/norhap/Turquoise-HD/commit/8b82eee5cff8dc1c1329a8aa33022933170633b0

my enigma2 commit:

https://github.com/norhap/vix-u5pvr/commit/7b8cf968c83f087280d9f08ccb33bc4f57368094?diff=unif ied

norhap
05-02-20, 23:34
PS, I did not succeed as on your screenshot to have a list of the programs found
with different colors that indicate if it's encrypted, radio or FTA.
If you can tell me how we get there.

thank you in advance

https://zupimages.net/up/20/06/ersy.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/06/ersy.jpg)

Once the signal is blocked, list service button should appear, button yellow ( in my skin is StaticText ) press yellow and the list of found services will appear (classified)

stephan94
06-02-20, 08:09
I think it is a problem with this new transalpine beam. Struggling with it on Vu Ultimo 4K too.

Hello Huevos,
I wish it were this reason, it would be understandable for me.
But with more than 14dB it is not a transalpine beam problem.
My place of reception is with 51dBW quite suitable to have a good signal (Antenna 1.20m)
Fearing this problem I tried before updating on this frequency with version 5.0.14 and everything worked
and after nothing.
My other images with Kernel 5.4 work without problem, even with a very old kernel (4.2) the signal is there.

https://zupimages.net/up/20/06/h39y.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/06/h39y.jpg)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/06/1egj.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/06/1egj.jpg)

stephan94
07-02-20, 07:32
Hello ,
this problem for the MIo4K with multistreams of 5 ° wB in high band 12500/12750 this confirms.
Tests have been made, with the same antenna and the same reception location, with an HD60 and a Hitube 4K Combo; all of these
frequencies are read and with programs and with a signal of + 15 dB.
Conclusions: the Edision Mio4k has a problem.