Hotbird and Freesat, Unicable setip

[BobbyC]

Im looking at getting the Gigablue UHD UE 4k, with dual FBC tuners.

Im in Ireland, I was looking to replace my virgin media cable tv package with a dual satellite system (Hotbird for Italian channels, and Astra 2 for UK freesat listings)

Currently there is an old sky sat with 2 cables coming into the house. I wanted to replace the dish with an 80cm dish and 2 unicable II lnb's pointed at both satellites.

Am I correct in assuming I can run the single cable from each lnb straight into the back of the gigablue box that will have 2 fbc sat tuners.

And how many channels can I record with this setup any one explain to me please

[twol]

You can run each of the cables into one of the 2 physical tuners, so that for example, you can have 28.2E on physical tuner A and Hotbird on physical tuner B.
On the receiver you allocate tuners A ---> H (8 "virtual" tuners) across the 2 LNB's as you wish e.g. tuners A --> E to 28.2E and tuners F --> H to Hotbird specifying in tuner setup the LNB type, sat connection and the channel frequency used for that specific connection.
How many can be recorded, depends on how many tuners into that SAT, same or different transponders etc etc .... but enough!

[BobbyC]

Ah I think I understand it better now. Thank you.
So we have 8 virtual tuners in all, and I can assign 1-4 to tuner A, and 5-8 on Tuner B,
Or possibly 1-6 A, 7-8 B

Thank you for helping me understand it more. splitting the available virtual tuners over the two inputs appears to be way more then enough
:)

[abu baniaz]

Not quite right. You have two physical tuners (A and B) and 6 "whatever name you want".

The two physical ones must have a signal cable for your setup. One 28.2 and other 13. The others ones (C-H) must be set as connected to either A or B depending on how many demodulators you want for each sat.

Don't forget, you can also add another non-FBC tuner but will have to use splitters

[BobbyC]

Ah yes, thanks I get you.

As for the third, I was going to add a terrestrial tuner for local Saorview TV listings

[abu baniaz]

Just to add, each demodulator must have a unique SCR to communicate with the LNB. The uniqueness is with regard to the LNB in use. In your case, you can use two channel 1, one for 28.2 lnb and other for 13. This is because you have two independent LNBs.

[ziggysdomain]

Hi Folks. Recently joined this forum. So far have found lots of useful information. Thanks to all. I have just installed new dishes and upgraded my LNBs to unicable. My basic needs are similar to those of BobbyC - I have two dishes pointed to Astra 28.2 and Hotbird. My box is the Vuplus Ultimo 4K with one FBC tuner each for satellite and terrestrial. The satellite physical Tuner A on the back of the receiver has two inputs - top for Astra, bottom for Hotbird. Initially I assumed that the top input was LNB1 and the lower LNB2 and after many frustrating hours of trying to tune in Hotbird on LNB2 I discovered that I had to use the LNB1 setting for both satellites on the separate tuners A & B in the configuration settings. Then I was up and running. I am, however, having difficulty finding the right combination in the configuration of the virtual tuners for watching one channel while recording another. I have managed this for Astra, but not Hotbird, so I wonder what I am doing wrong. I tried doing A/B for Astra/Hotbird and then so on (C/D, E/F, G/H - I & J are for the terrestrial reception) in the same combination for the virtual tuners with the above result in terms of watching/recording, and then I tried just configuring A & B for Astra & Hotbird and leaving the remaining C to H not configured so that - as I understand it - the box can choose whichever tuner it needs regardless of which satellite channel is being called on to operate. But that didn't work either for Hotbird. So I wonder what I'm doing wrong? I have two questions then:
1) Could anyone help with the correct configuration for my needs (pix would be helpful if possible)?
2) What, then, is the LNB2 setting for? Is this only if you had a second satellite FBC tuner in the receiver?
Thanks and regards.

[Willo3092]

These are my settings for 2 unicable LNB's on 28.2E and 19.2E if it helps.

28.2E

LNB-1 unicableProduct=GT-S3DCSS24

Tuner A = config.Nims.0.advanced.lnb.1.scrList=1
Tuner C = config.Nims.2.advanced.lnb.1.scrList=2 (Connected to A)
Tuner D = config.Nims.3.advanced.lnb.1.scrList=3 (Connected to A)
Tuner E = config.Nims.4.advanced.lnb.1.scrList=4 (Connected to A)

19.2E

LNB-2 unicableProduct=GT-dLNB1-DY

Tuner B = config.Nims.1.advanced.lnb.2.scrList=1
Tuner F = config.Nims.5.advanced.lnb.2.scrList=2 (Connected to B)

Tuners G & H FBC AUTOMATIC

[abu baniaz]

You are falling in the trap of thinking the card is one tuner. It isn't. The FBC tuner card is 2 two physical (root) tuners with 6 non-physical (leaf) tuners.

The top physical connection is Tuner A, the bottom one is tuner B.

The LNB number is different when you have more than one LNB to each connection/physical tuner. If you only have one LNB to each physical connection, you always leave it as LNB 1.

The questions to ask yourself are: How many LNBs to top tuner (A)? How many to bottom tuner (B)?

Hopefully if you agree that you only have one LNB to tuner A and also only one LNB to tuner B, you won't make the mistake of selecting LNB2 when configuring either of them.

Set A & B to match what is hooked up to them. Set C-H as FBC automatic for now. Once that is working we can assign the leaf tuner to suit your needs.

[abu baniaz]

Willow, can I edit out those LNB numbers out of your post?

[Willo3092]

Yes Abu, are you saying the second LNB should also be LNB1?

[abu baniaz]

Yes Abu, are you saying the second LNB should also be LNB1?

Yes, the LNB number corresponds to what is hooked up to each terminal. A has 1. B only has 1 too. If you had more than one to each connection, then the numbers come into play.

[ziggysdomain]

Ok, thanks for the swift responses. So, Abu, thanks for the explanation re the LNBs. I have done as you suggest re physical tuners A & B and C - H are automatic ("not configured"). What is a 'leaf tuner' and where to from here?

[abu baniaz]

Of the 6 tuners, how many do you want for 28.2 and how many for 13.0?

[ziggysdomain]

Evenly divided - 3/3.

[abu baniaz]

In the tuner configuration, interpret "Connected as "Shared"


Set C, D & E as connected to A.
A, C, D & E must have unique SCR/channels for that LNB

Set F, G & H as connected to B.
B, F, G & H must have unique SCR/channels for that LNB

[Huevos]

What is a 'leaf tuner' and where to from here?It is a translation error started by some Dutch guys. It means an FBC tuner which is not the root tuner.

[BobbyC]

My basic needs are similar to those of BobbyC - I have two dishes pointed to Astra 28.2 and Hotbird. My box is the Vuplus Ultimo 4K with one FBC tuner each for satellite and terrestrial. The satellite physical Tuner A on the back of the receiver has two inputs - top for Astra, bottom for Hotbird.


Cool, did you get it sorted ?

EDIT TO ADD:...This is my setup, I have two tuners, I re-read and see you have 1, but ya the concept is the same !!


As mentioned both LNB's will be LNB1 and in the advanced settings, you will increment the userband value

Physical Tuners
Tuner A Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 1
Tuner B Hotbird-13 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 1

Virtual Tuners
Tuner C Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 2
Tuner D Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 3
Tuner E Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 4
Tuner F Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 5
Tuner G Astra 28 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 6

Tuner H Hotbird-13 - LNB 1 - Unicable Jess - GSAT - model number - User band 2

"Saorview terrestrial aerial"
Tuner I DVT-B
Tuner J DVT-B

[ziggysdomain]

Btw, the physical LNB type does not exactly match what's available in the menu - IDLU-QUDL42-UNR2L-1PP the former, and IDLU-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP the latter; that is a difference of one letter 'I' in the third section. Will that make any difference? I went thru all the options in that section and there was no exact match.

[ziggysdomain]

Thanks folks. I somehow missed page 2 of your replies until now. I will apply those settings and report back. Much appreciate the help.

[ziggysdomain]

Hi BobbyC. And with this config can you record one Hotbird channel and watch another? This is all I really need for Hotbird.

[abu baniaz]

The settingd I gave you will give you 4 tuners for 28.2e and also 4 tuners for 13e. Bobby's one gives you 6 for 28.2e and 2 for 13e

[ziggysdomain]

Yes abu, thanks. I spotted that. The 'structure' of how it all works is much clearer now. I'm grateful for all the input. Ok, to report back:
I followed your instructions abu (18-09-20, 00:00). My LNBs are Inverto Unicable both, IDLU-QUDL42-UNR2L-1PP with four user bands - 1210, 1420, 1680, 2040. NOTE: these are listed on the box as 0, 1, 2, 3 before each of those MHz bands whereas the configuration settings only offer SCR 1 - 4. Don't know if this makes any difference but thought I'd mention it in case it's important. Also, as mentioned earlier, the LNB type setting available in configuration is IDLU-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP instead of mine above - a difference of only one letter('I' v 'R'), but thought I should point it out.

A & B tuners set to Astra 28.8 and Hotbird, LNB1 and SCR1 1210MHz each.
C set to Astra, SCR2 (1410), connected to Tuner A.
D set to Astra, SCR3 (1680), but settings wouldn't let me choose Tuner A - only B, G, and H available. I rebooted the device to see if previous settings had somehow messed this up, but no joy.

For example, previously I had tried this:
A to Astra, LNB1, SCR1
B to Hotbird, LNB1, SCR1
C to Astra LNB1, SCR2, connected to Tuner A
D to Hotbird, LNB1, SCR2, connected to Tuner B
E to Astra, LNB1, SCR3, connected to Tuner C (A not available)
F to Hotbird LNB1, SCR3, connected to Tuner D (B not available)
G to Astra, LNB1, SCR4, connected to Tuner E (A not available)
H to Hotbird, LNB1, SCR4, connected to Tuner F (A not available).

With these settings, as explained before but just to be clear about the issue I'm now having, I can record one channel on Astra and watch any other, but this does not work with Hotbird. Recording any channel makes all the others (well, those in my favourites list anyway) unavailable. It's strange how that functions for one satellite and not the other.

I'm loath to reset the box to factory settings and start again but perhaps that's what I'll have to do if you guys feel that's my only option at this stage? Or do you think that the last configuration there in my 3rd paragraph should give me the result I need and that there's something else wrong?

[abu baniaz]

You have probably messed something up on the LNB numbers you previously selected. It is set, but because you are not seeing it, you think it isn't there.

To delet the tuner settings, issue the following command using Putty or similar (link to guide in my signature if you need it):



init 4

This will stop enigma2.

Navigate to /etc/enigma2 and edit teh fiel called "settings"
Uiusng linux compatible editor such as Notepad++, delete all the lines that start with

config.Nims.


Save, transfer back then issue following command to restart


init 3


Then set your tuners how you want

[abu baniaz]

It does not matter about the difference in model number for LNB, the SCR/channels/frequnecies are the same


<product name="IDLP-40UNIQD+S" scrs="1680,1420,2040,1210"/>
<product name="IDLB-QUDL43-UNE1L-OPP" scrs="1210,1420,1680,2040"/>
<product name="IDLB-QUDL-UNI2L-OPP" scrs="1210,1420,1680,2040"/>
<product name="IDLB-QUDL42-UNI2L-1PP" scrs="1210,1420,1680,2040"/>

[ziggysdomain]

Hi. No joy I'm afraid. There's a peculiar anomaly. Whereas for Astra, tuner C can be connected to A, but D & E can only be connected to C & D respectively (i.e. tuner A is not available) - and the record and watch functions. Whereas for Hotbird F is set to B and G & H can only be set to F & G respectively but the record and watch function won't work.

[abu baniaz]

Which image are you using? Please include version/date

[ziggysdomain]

See attached

[abu baniaz]

My posts earlier were based on openvix (we use same code as openpli). This is the openvix forum, you should have said you are using a different image. Other mages use the daisy chaining code, were you have to share/connect to previous tuner. They wont allow you to share/connect to the tuner that actually has the signal wire. You have to do the following:

28.2
A < C < D < E


13E
B < F < G < H

Please try and set tuner configuration and report back.

[ziggysdomain]

My apologies. I did wonder about that. I use to have openvix, but had to change as a legal card I have will only work on Black Hole with the 4K.

Configured Astra as you outlined: A < C < D < E, and record and watch working as expected.

Hotbird configuration could not be done as suggested:
B set as required, but then for F only E & H were available. Given that E is Astra, I chose H (SCR2)
For G, B was available and I connected to this (SCR3)
For H, F,G, & E available and again as E is Astra I chose G.

This config for Hotbird did not allow any of my HD channels to be watched once one channel was recording.These are the Italian channels - the reason we have Hotbird. Some, tho not quite all, of the SD channels were available and could also be recorded while the first HD channel was recording.

I rechecked the configuration and attempted to change tuner H to being connected to F instead of G to see if this would make any difference, but the box went into a waiting / saving loop which only a forced reboot fixed. On reboot tuner H was still connected to G so the attempt to change it to F wasn't performed.

[abu baniaz]

The SCR is per LNB. You have 4 SCR for 28.2e and also 4 SCR for 13e

You have to connect to previous tuner (daisy chaining). Which ever tuner is available for the satellite you want, "connect" to it but use a different SCR number (for that LNB). I fit is crashing, report that to the Blackhole Team, I'm sure they will fix.

Try the following:

28.2
A (SCR 1) < C (SCR 2) < D (SCR 3) < E (SCR 4)


13E
B (SCR 1) < F (SCR 2) < G (SCR 3) < H (SCR 4)

Which card is not working on Vix?

[abu baniaz]

I have moved the Tivusat posts to their own thread

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?63333-Tivusat-Oscam

As this thread is resolved, I'll close it.