ABM 40988 not locking

[carlowen]

I'm in area id 40988. Yesterday without changing anything almost half of the HD channels showed tune failed. Tried running abm and it display an error " failed to tune v uk on tuner c ". I tried to update config file and no update found.
I know the tuner is configured correctly as when I do a auto scan it tunes and finds all channels and all channels in the bouquets now display. Just the Abm tune fails.

Vu duo2. Vix 5.1.012.

[abu baniaz]

The tuning frequency that ABM could have have changed like other areas. We can update ABM.

Set your tuners to "Virgin Media UK (All systems)"
Remove all cable services. This is done by following: Channel up, green, select cable services, menu, remove cable services, confirm. Then restart
Perform a manual scan, selecting "complete". Enable network scan too. It will take a while.
Restart
Transfer your lamedb and lamedb 5 files from /etc/enigma2 to your PC
Zip/rar and attach here

[carlowen]

Okay thank you. I will do it today.

[carlowen]

File as requested. Hope I've done it all correct.

[abu baniaz]

Thanks. Just need to fine tune



Transfer this file to /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers

Delete providers.cache



Try ABM again.



If it works....



Remove all cable services:> Channel up, green, select cable services, menu, remove cable services, confirm
Restart
Run ABM again
Restart
Transfer your lamedb file from /etc/enigma2 to your PC

Transfer your lamedb5 file from /etc/enigma2 to your PC

Zip/rar and attach here

[carlowen]

Worked great. File attached.

[abu baniaz]

Can you attach the lamedb5 file too please?

Posting for reference purposes


<transponder frequency="387000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>
<transponder frequency="395000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>
<transponder frequency="403000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>




<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<cables>
<cable name="PROVIDER NAME HERE" satfeed="true" flags="9">
<transponder frequency="147000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="155000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="163000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="171000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="179000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="187000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="195000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="203000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="211000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="219000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="227000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="235000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="243000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="251000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="259000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="267000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="275000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="283000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="291000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="387000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>
<transponder frequency="395000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>
<transponder frequency="403000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="3"/>
<transponder frequency="619000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="627000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="635000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="643000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="651000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="659000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="667000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="675000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="683000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="691000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="699000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="707000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="715000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="723000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="731000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="739000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="779000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="787000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="795000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="803000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="811000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
<transponder frequency="819000" symbol_rate="6952000" fec_inner="3" modulation="5"/>
</cable>
</cables>

[carlowen]

Will do it as soon as home

[carlowen]

File as requested. Thanks again for your work.

[abu baniaz]

That does not have cable services, did you restart first?

[carlowen]

Sorry. Do I need to do the whole process again. Clear cable services and do a auto scan then download the file.

[abu baniaz]

Lamedb5 is updated on restart. No need to do whole process again. Just restart, then transfer file.

Thanks.

[carlowen]

Hope it correct this time. Restarted and grabbed the file.

[steveg]

dont know if this is the place to add this but as this is where i got my info from to fix abm for exeter on my box
<configuration modulation="5" system="0" symbol_rate="6952000" frequency="643000" bouquettype="hd" netid="40987" key="hd_40987_dvbc_uk">40987 Exeter</configuration>
thats the code line for exeter to unlock again tested on 4 different boxes u dont support but that fixed the issue we were having

[abu baniaz]

You can use any frequency you get a lock on. But we prefer to use QAM64 as that is mainly data.

If you can upload your lamedb/5 files after an ABM run, I'll update xml file when I get a chance.

[abu baniaz]

@carloween, I have updated the file on GitHub. Thanks.

I'll do 40987 once I have a lamedb/5 after an ABM run

[steveg]

think thats it

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[abu baniaz]

40987 done here
https://github.com/oe-alliance/AutoBouquetsMaker/commit/5303aab99ad331dbae914668702927d9fae43722

[steveg]

Yep just updated config files and scans perfect cheers guys

[carlowen]

Great work. Thanks again for your work.

[adrian-t]

The tuning frequency that ABM could have have changed like other areas. We can update ABM.

Set your tuners to "Virgin Media UK (All systems)"
Remove all cable services. Channel up, green, select cable services, menu, remove cable services, confirm, restart
Perform a manual scan, selecting provider. It will take a while.
Restart
Transfer your lamedb file from /etc/enigma2 to your PC
Zip/rar and attach here

Hey Abu, I noticed you also update the ABM on github. It took me a while to understand how this works and I've been trying to understand why some VM cable channels don't work. I am on 40985 - north London(Finchley) and the ABM fails to tune saying the same thing as the issue in this thread. Can I help you update the ABM github so I can update config file and hopefully manage to tune using my area net id successfully?

[abu baniaz]

See post 2

[adrian-t]

Thanks a lot. I will fetch the file tonight and attach it here. :thumbsup:

[adrian-t]

Hi mate, as mentioned, I copied the two lamedb files you need. Many thanks once again for doing this. I really appreciate it.

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[abu baniaz]

I have checked with someone in 40985, default values still work. I am certain you are using the wrong NetID. The frequency values in your lamedb file end in .750. This is what you get in CW areas. 40985 is a Telewest area, they have whole numbers in the frequencies.

Try 41069

[adrian-t]

Thanks a lot for checking. I have to say these are the two net ids I've been playing with since I bought the box. 41069 works as well when I scan from tuner but same thing happens when I scan in ABM. some channels are black after ABM scan. Whereas before the ABM scan I can see unnamed channels like BT SPORT 2 HD or MTV HD that work. Any thoughts on that?

As with 40985 default values work for me too absolutely fine in proportion of 90%. Some might say I am picky but I do use these few channels not working after ABM scan...

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[southsimon]

Abu, is it possible for you to update net id 41043 Poole, I believe the frequency has changed to 282750

41043
cable modem frequency: 282750

[abu baniaz]

@southsimon, please do as in post 2.

[abu baniaz]

@adrian_t

Non-ABM scan does not use NET_ID. You can use any net ID in tuner config and for-non_ABM scan. Unless you are in a pure area, background scanning as well as E2 scans will bring in dead channels intended for other areas.

If ABM works for you on 40985, and the first five channels in the ABM Cable entertainment bouquet work, then I was mistaken.

Please answer these specific questions:

Does ABM work using 40985 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?
Does ABM work using 41069 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?

[adrian-t]

@adrian_t

Non-ABM scan does not use NET_ID. You can use any net ID in tuner config and for-non_ABM scan. Unless you are in a pure area, background scanning as well as E2 scans will bring in dead channels intended for other areas.

If ABM works for you on 40985, and the first five channels in the ABM Cable entertainment bouquet work, then I was mistaken.

Please answer these specific questions:

Does ABM work using 40985 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?
Does ABM work using 41069 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?

Does ABM work using 40985 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?
The answer is No. When I scan ABM with 40985, it says Tune failed, check tuner is configured ...
Does ABM work using 41069 and first five channels in Cable entertainment bouquet work?
Yes

Now I realised I should have provided you with the lamedb files for 41069 not 40985. No?

[abu baniaz]

If the first five channels work with 41069 in ABM, then that is your NetID.

If some channels are not working, you have a signal issue. Changing ABM frequencies won't help you with that. You either have too much/little power on certain frequencies.

[adrian-t]

If the first five channels work with 41069 in ABM, then that is your NetID.

If some channels are not working, you have a signal issue. Changing ABM frequencies won't help you with that. You either have too much/little power on certain frequencies.

Even though before the ABM scan I can watch for example BT sport2 HD and after the ABM scan it is black? same with other channels like MTV HD or Sky sports PL etc ...

Shouldn't they have been black from the very beginning ?

[abu baniaz]

There are multiple copies of the services/channels. Which are you selecting. State the frequency. For testing purposes, I suggest:
Revert to the default skin as that will show you the frequency.
Select service from service list, not bouquet. Note down the frquencies.
Check service in bouquet and compare frequency.


All ABM does is obtain teh tuning parameters form the data stream that the broadcaster/provider sends. It then writes them to the lamedb, which holds the tuning paramters. The thread you have piggy backed on is just to tell ABM what frequency to try and obtain the data from. The subsequent data it gets, is not affected by the frequency ABM uses to get it. For UK cable, you can run ABM on any frequency you can get a lock on.

You can do your own tests.
Use Notepad++, not windows notepad.
Edit the provider file in /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers
Delete the providers.cache
Restart Enigma2
Run ABM again.

You may also wish to run the Nit Anlyser in this thread
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?38120-Logs-for-unlisted-changed-areas-(UK)

[adrian-t]

There are multiple copies of the services/channels. Which are you selecting. State the frequency. For testing purposes, I suggest:
Revert to the default skin as that will show you the frequency.
Select service from service list, not bouquet. Note down the frquencies.
Check service in bouquet and compare frequency.


All ABM does is obtain teh tuning parameters form the data stream that the broadcaster/provider sends. It then writes them to the lamedb, which holds the tuning paramters. The thread you have piggy backed on is just to tell ABM what frequency to try and obtain the data from. The subsequent data it gets, is not affected by the frequency ABM uses to get it. For UK cable, you can run ABM on any frequency you can get a lock on.

You can do your own tests.
Use Notepad++, not windows notepad.
Edit the provider file in /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers
Delete the providers.cache
Restart Enigma2
Run ABM again.

You may also wish to run the Nit Anlyser in this thread
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?38120-Logs-for-unlisted-changed-areas-(UK)

Thanks for all the information. I will give it a go and let you know what happened. In the meantime I just wanted to tell you that I looked at the frequency and for bt sport 2 hd and mtv hdthe working frequency with no abm is 602 and after abm scan it is on 746. The net id used is 41069. Now I'll the steps above and try and change the frequency manually in that file.

[adrian-t]

Thanks for all the information. I will give it a go and let you know what happened. In the meantime I just wanted to tell you that I looked at the frequency and for bt sport 2 hd and mtv hdthe working frequency with no abm is 602 and after abm scan it is on 746. The net id used is 41069. Now I'll the steps above and try and change the frequency manually in that file.

What do I need to do in this case where I have to look at fixing various channel frequencies in the ABM? It was my mistake to assume the issue was with the NetID frequency.

[abu baniaz]

Your issue has nothing to do with ABM.

As in post 31, you need to adjust your signal power/quality

[abu baniaz]

Are you sure there is no local issue? A few areas are reporting problems prior to the switching off of frequencies for older type Virgin boxes and forcing everyone to card-less receivers . Check your official box/virgin's status page.

[adrian-t]

Your issue has nothing to do with ABM.

As in post 31, you need to adjust your signal power/quality

I really don't mean to sound like a noob but how is it a signal quality issue if after the tuner scan I can watch these channels just fine and after the ABM scan these channels' frequency changes and get just a black screen? I will stop bothering with my nonsense after this question I promise. :confused:

[abu baniaz]

When did this problem occur? Was it fine before?

[adrian-t]

It is the first time I use this service. I installed a couple of weeks ago and I never really went through the channels one by one as I assumed all were working. Only when I wanted to watch specifically BT Sport2 is when I notice its black. Then I started reading and followed various instructions regarding ABM and NetID issues. I re-scanned Tuner b without the ABM and went through channels one by one to find out if the scan actually locks on them or that I have this signal issue where some channels won't clear. To my surprise these channels were found in the tuner scan. Strangely enough, their respective picons allowed me to find them because without the ABM the names were scrambled like in the pics.

In the same order I attach pics of how I performed actions:

Run tuner scan (554 channels found) - BT Sport 2 HD(works, scrambled name, correct picon) - Working frequency:602MHz, symbol rate:6952000 - Run ABM scan (398 video and XX radio) and same channel with frequency not working:746MHz, symbol rate:6952000

55945559465594755944

[abu baniaz]

Please accept ABM only obtains the frequencies to use from the broadcaster. We only adapt the frequency that ABM uses to tune to into order to get them.


For references purposes, you may wish to use this guide to get screenshots
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?44054-How-to-take-screen-shots-How-to-attach-files

Can you view any other services on 746 MHz?

[adrian-t]

Thanks for the guide. I will follow it for future reference.

Can't view other services on 746MHz. I haven't seen many more channels on 746MHz but the ones i did notice : MTV HD, Nickelodeon, BT sport 2 HD were all before the ABM scan on 602MHz

[abu baniaz]

Do you get a signal lock on 746Mhz Please check in signal finder.

BTW the services/channels that do not have proper names are test channels or those in transition.

[abu baniaz]

Cable services do not change that often. There is no need to run ABM regularly if you are just on cable. Rename the service and manually move it with remote. You will have to do this after an ABM run.

[adrian-t]

Cable services do not change that often. There is no need to run ABM regularly if you are just on cable. Rename the service and manually move it with remote. You will have to do this after an ABM run.

Hey Abu, I checked the signal finder and there is no signal on 746MHz or on any other frequency above 700MHz. You think I should normally do?

[lincsat]

I could be wrong but if ABM is putting channels on an incorrect frequency, that would say to me that you have the wrong NetID. Some areas do have different NetID's and you could have a neighbouring one

[adrian-t]

Not sure what other net IDs are around me in North London (Finchley) I could try. Is the only way to find the net id through a tivo box? Is it true 41047 doesn't exist anymore? I saw an older blog showing net ids and frequency for North West London NTL, 00000 000000 6887
I'm tempted to try them, even 41050 which is West London (Sheperds Bush)

[abu baniaz]

Press Home then select ‘Help & Settings’, then ‘Systems Info’, then ‘Diagnostics’ and the top line is your NETID

[adrian-t]

posted in error

[abu baniaz]

We can only assist people with with official boxes. If you don't the thread will be closed.

[lincsat]

It's also possible that your full scan is puling in some un-encrypted test channels whilst ABM is pulling in encrypted regular channels that are not available with your viewing card.

[smith_rob]

The tuning frequency that ABM could have have changed like other areas. We can update ABM.

Set your tuners to "Virgin Media UK (All systems)"
Remove all cable services. This is done by following: Channel up, green, select cable services, menu, remove cable services, confirm. Then restart
Perform a manual scan, selecting provider. It will take a while.
Restart
Transfer your lamedb and lamedb 5 files from /etc/enigma2 to your PC
Zip/rar and attach here

Hi i think the frequencies have changed in my area, i was going to upload my lamedb files but when u click on manual scan i dont see the (selecting provider) option

[abu baniaz]

If ABM locks and works, it will get the frequencies from the broadcaster.

If it isn't, follow instructions in post 2. double check tuner config. Select complete.
My mistake, there is no provider.

[linkazoid]

I seem to have lost all of Sky Sports HD channels today. NetID is 00009.
Did a full scan following your instructions and it picked them up, but they're just blank..

Do you need me to post the scanned files too?

[abu baniaz]

only if ABM is not locking

[lincsat]

Check your logs, Sky Sports in HD is becoming TiVo only on VM Cable, it will not be on any viewing card