Help with Unicable and Motorised System.

[sandiego69]

I have tried to install an Inverto Unicable LNB but cannot get things to work properly.

I have temporarily reverted back to a Universal LNB with two outputs feeding (via a motor) to my Vu+ Ultimo4k which has two twin FBC tuners. The retailer (WOS) said to feed both cables to Tuner A but that did not make any sense to me as it left Tuner B unconnected and unused. (Tuner A was set-up as USALS and Tuner B ??? was set-up as 'second cable from A'.

What I would really like to do is to replace the Universal LNB for an Inverto Unicable and still be able to have a motorised system. ( I do understand the limitations of watching and recording on the same satellite).

I have, therefore, two questions.

1) If I keep the Universal setup as detailed above, are the two cables correctly installed and if both are connected to Tuner A's inputs should the motor feed be in the top or the bottom port?

2) If I change the Universal LNB to an Inverto Unicable where exactly should the cables go? In other words which cable goes to which input? Physical Tuner A or Tuner B and also top or bottom input?

Any help appreciated.

[abu baniaz]

Unicable LNBs are not designed for motorised setups.

A is top, B is bottom as far as I know.

[sandiego69]

I was hoping for a more comprehensive and detailed reply especially as I recall a post by yourself in which you said both you and Rob had a similar system.

[abu baniaz]

I have a standard LNB on the motorised dish.

I have a Unicable LNB on a static dish. Unicable LNBs are designed for this purpose.

[sandiego69]

Thanks for reply.

This is exactly what I want to achieve. I already have the two dishes, one of which is motorised. I want to use the fixed dish on 28.2E and the motorised mainly between 5W and 19E.

This where I need help. Do I connect the Unicable (cable) to physical Tuner A and motorised cable to physical Tuner B. Some people are calling the top and bottom inputs A and B and this is why I am confused.

Would you please give me exactly your setup so that I can duplicate it.

Regards.

[abu baniaz]

Unicable LNB: Which dish is it fitted to? Which satellite is it pointing to?

Motorised Dish: How many ports on LNB?

Do all ports have wires connected?


Tuners: How many inputs/connections (in total) do you have? (Just want to confirm its four and if they are FBC)



No point me giving you my setup as it is different. I can suggest what you can consider doing.

[sandiego69]

OK

Unicable on fixed dish pointing at 28E

Motorised LNB has two outputs but prepared to only use one via the motor.

Ultimo4k has two physical FBC tuners.

[ccs]

Ultimo4k has two physical FBC tuners.Twin FBC tuners, according to your 1st post?

[sandiego69]

Correct, Twin FBC tuners.

[sandiego69]

I have answered all Abu's questions.

Is there anyone who can help me?

[abu baniaz]

One last question, which Inverto Unicable LNB do you have? How many SCR does it have?

[sandiego69]

LNB on its way from Germany..........IDLU-32UL40-UNB00-0PP

As to SCR, I believe 8 but this is where I am unsure for this model LNB. If you tell me this LNB is not the best choice I will change it immediately.

Thanks.

[abu baniaz]

It has 32 SCR.

For motor, connect the wire to FBC port B. Tuner config, set as simple, USALS selecting positions. scroll down, press OK and enable sats you want. best not to enable 28.2.

For unicable, connnect to FBC port A.

Tuner config A:
Advanced, Lof= unicable LNB, select, make, model.
SCR=1 (Dont mix up with position)

Tuner config C:
Same as above.
SCR=2.
Linked: yes.
linked to A

Tuner config D.
As above
SCR=3
Linked: yes
Linked to C

Tuner config E
As above
SCR 4
Linked: yes
Linked to D

Tuner config F
As above
SCR 5
Linked: yes
Linked to E

Tuner config G
As above
SCR 6
Linked: yes
Linked to F


If you have spare physical Tuner. we can make use of the second cable of motor.

[Huevos]

Please post a screenshot of "menu > information > Devices".

[sandiego69]

Thank you. As soon as LNB arrives and installed I will post setup.

One last question. The way I read Abu's post, I need physical Tuner A, top port A, for the Unicable. The first cable ( from motored dish ) to physical Tuner A, bottom port B.

With the second physical Tuner B it is possible to connect the second cable from the motor dish and setup as 'second cable'.

If I have got that all correctly, I am very grateful, thank you.

[abu baniaz]

Thank you. As soon as LNB arrives and installed I will post setup.

One last question. The way I read Abu's post, I need physical Tuner A, top port A, for the Unicable. The first cable ( from motored dish ) to physical Tuner A, bottom port B.

With the second physical Tuner B it is possible to connect the second cable from the motor dish and setup as 'second cable'.

If I have got that all correctly, I am very grateful, thank you.


I thought you had one card. Total of two ports. This is what my advice was based on. Your latest post suggests otherwise.

Please post a screenshot as per Huevos' request.

[abu baniaz]

I initially gathered you had four connections, I asked for confirmation if you had four connections.



Tuners: How many inputs/connections (in total) do you have? (Just want to confirm its four and if they are FBC)


you said


Ultimo4k has two physical FBC tuners.


Does that mean one card with two connections?
Does that mean two cards with four connections?

I am now confused. Please post the screenshot to avoid the confusion.

[sandiego69]

In my very first post I said I had two twin FBC's in my Ultimo4k. That is why I was confused as to the cable layout.

I sent the first LNB back to the retailer and I await the new one.

The moment all is installed and setup I will post screenshot.

[abu baniaz]

For pity's sake, post the screenshot!

[abu baniaz]

The following referring to the card slots on motherboard
Tuner slot A (FBC)
Tuner slot B (FBC)
Tuner slot C (old fashioned)


The cards in the slot will then make up the tuners on receiver. Two FBC tuner cards will create the following

Tuner A
Tuner B
Tuner C
Tuner D
Tuner E
Tuner F
Tuner G
Tuner H
Tuner I
Tuner J
Tuner K
Tuner L
Tuner M
Tuner N
Tuner O
Tuner P

If you add an old fashioned twin tuner, that will add two more tuners. And if you add USB tuners devices, even more.

Don't mix up "tuner slot" with "tuner card" and "tuner". They are different things

[Huevos]

I thought you had one card. Total of two ports. This is what my advice was based on. Your latest post suggests otherwise.

Please post a screenshot as per Huevos' request.

Yep, 2 physical FBC tuners means 4 sockets, which is why I asked. Thread not clear at all.

[sandiego69]

55429

Hopefully now you can see what I have been trying to say since post 1. that I have two twin FBC tuners.

In other words, according to your description, 2 cards, 4 ports.

Now all I need is confirmation of which cable goes where. One will come via Unicable LNB and one or two from Universal LNB on motor dish. I say two from motor LNB as Abu hinted there could be a way to utilise the second cable.

[ccs]

You've got a twin DVB-T2 (terrestrial) tuner in that picture.

[sandiego69]

Yes I know, I have a terrestrial antenna connected to it but it is not part of this discussion.

UPDATE
Supplier has e-mailed to say original order is not available so they intend to supply either the QUDL42 UNI2L 1pp Unicable or an updated model the 5434 Idlu – QUDL42 – UNR2L – 1PP

Thay are leaving the choice to me.

[Huevos]

Don't buy that. It is just a 4 SCR LNB. You need a Unicable II/JESS LNB preferably with 32 SCRs.

[sandiego69]

Huevos, your advice is noted and appreciated.

Programmable Unicable II 32UB LNB
Model: IDLU-32UL40-UNBOO-OPP
Item: 5278

This product is not easy to get in the UK so I will have to source from Europe.

In advance of its delivery I would still like to plan ahead with cable runs etc. This would also include which cable is connected to which 'card' and which port (top or bottom).
Hope I have made that understandable?

[abu baniaz]

Notes:
The "Tuner card" in first "tuner slot" takes the first set of letters based on "tuners". (tuners used vaguely here).
The top port in a "tuner card" is the lowest "tuner" letter.

Unicable LNB

Connect Unicable LNB to top connection of the "tuner card" in the first "tuner slot". This is tuner letter A for your setup.
The tuners are internally linked. No need for anything to be connected to the same tuner card.

Tuner config A:
Advanced, Lof= unicable LNB, select, make, model.
SCR=1 (Dont mix up with position)

Tuner config B:
Same as above.
SCR=2.
Linked: yes.
linked to A

Tuner config C.
As above
SCR=3
Linked: yes
Linked to B

Tuner config D.
As above
SCR=4
Linked: yes
Linked to C

Tuner config E
As above
SCR 5
Linked: yes
Linked to D

Tuner config F
As above
SCR 6
Linked: yes
Linked to E

Tuner config G
As above
SCR 7
Linked: yes
Linked to F

Tuner config H
As above
SCR 8
Linked: yes
Linked to G

Motorised LNBs

Connect the motor control wire to the top connection of the "tuner card" in the second "tuner slot". This is "tuner" I on your setup.
Connect the "direct to LNB on motorised dish" wire to the bottom connection of the "tuner card" in the second "tuner slot". This is "tuner" J on your setup.
The tuners are internally linked. No need for anything to be connected to the same tuner card.

Tuner config I
Set as simple, USALS selecting positions. scroll down, press OK and enable sats you want. Best not to enable 28.2.

Tuner config J
Set as the "second cable of motorised LNB". Just like you did with a conventional tuner.

Tuner config K-P
Leave at default of "automatic FBC"


Unicable LNB usage with other receivers
If you buy a 32 SCR LNB, you will have 24 channels not used. If you intend to connect to other receivers, place splitter at convenient position for your wiring setup.
The SCR numbers must not be duplicated among all the receivers.

[sandiego69]

Abu

Many thanks for you help and patience.
There is a lot to take in here and I will eventually get my head around it all.

Your last comment leaves me in doubt as to which Inverto to buy. I will only use my single Ultimo4k so is there a better choice of Unicable LNB? I ask because they are quite expensive.

Again thanks.

[Andy_Hazza]

You need to get this LNB to fully utilise your Ultimo 4K >> Inverto JESS LNB Model: IDLU-32UL40-UNBOO-OPP


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[abu baniaz]

The Unicable LNBs generally come in 4, 24 or 32 SCR varieties. The price variance does not justify restricting the setup with a 4 SCR lnb.

[sandiego69]

You need to get this LNB to fully utilise your Ultimo 4K >> Inverto JESS LNB Model: IDLU-32UL40-UNBOO-OPP


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For the benefit of myself and anybody reading this thread, could you explain why you say this.

[Andy_Hazza]

Because you can have 32 SCRs, so longterm you could have 4x Ultimo’s all with FBC tuners, each one having 8 tuners (8 SCRs). No brainer.


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[Huevos]

Because you can have 32 SCRs, so longterm you could have 4x Ultimo’s all with FBC tuners, each one having 8 tuners (8 SCRs). No brainer.And because you can add up to 32 tuners anywhere in your house over a single cable system. i.e. you can carry satellite over a current terrestrial antenna install.

Unicable is not just about FBC tuners.

[deltec]

can a unicable lnb be used for a motorised dish or is this not possible

[abu baniaz]

This thread was started when Vu had bugs in their drivers which necessitated daisy chaining. The driver bugs have been fixed. There is no need to daisy chain.

From 5.3 009, when configuring FBC tuners with unicable, the ability to "connect to" tuners that do not have a physical connection has been removed. You must connect to the tuner with the signal wire.

I will amend the two year old post earlier in this thread.