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Hello All,
I have purchased a new samsung 4k tv and along with my ET8500 it gives a cracking picture... However, on BBC1 HD now, there is like a little judder, or blurriness when the picture starts to move ((really hard to explain)),,, but then it is okay, and it is really only for a microsecond.
I know the Vix is good, and I knw samsung is good, but I bet it is something simple that I need to change to get hte best picture setup.
What can I do to get the perfect setup?
In setup I ave it set to Auto resolution to all resolutions on the ET8500.... Should I change this...? Should it be disabled?
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James.
hmm i have it disabled on my solo2.
It is set to All resolutions - Still getting it....
I am going to watch BBC1 HD on the Freesat to see if I get hte stutter / judder on there..
Rob van der Does
24-12-16, 06:50
Please make sure that all so-called picture quality enhancers (they have all kinds of names for different brands) of your TV have been switched off.
The (correct) use of auto resolution is really a matter of choice: you should try it. But in my experience the quality of the scalers in STB's are of a good quality, so enabling AR will only lead to an annoying switch-blank-time of the TV. But as I said: give it a try.
But first go through the picture settings and switch off everything you can switch off.
As Rob has said, switch these marketing features off!
Tv's for example with THX certified professional setups for displays usually have all these fancy settings turned off for normal viewing (they may have day and night specific viewing setups) .... for gaming this may not be true due to different requirements:)
DaMacFunkin
24-12-16, 07:42
Hello All,
I have purchased a new samsung 4k tv and along with my ET8500 it gives a cracking picture... However, on BBC1 HD now, there is like a little judder, or blurriness when the picture starts to move ((really hard to explain)),,, but then it is okay, and it is really only for a microsecond.
I know the Vix is good, and I knw samsung is good, but I bet it is something simple that I need to change to get hte best picture setup.
What can I do to get the perfect setup?
In setup I ave it set to Auto resolution to all resolutions on the ET8500.... Should I change this...? Should it be disabled?
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James.
In the Samsung you have a feature called AMP (Auto Motion Plus) i find on broadcast pictures it is best to have it turned off whether they are being interlaced by the set or not.
Even with it set to off you will notice the problem you are describing, it is a bug in Samsung's that many people around the world (me included) have reported only for Samsung to insist they can't reproduce it. I personally think not everybody can see it or are susceptible to it, me i'm susceptible to everything.
In a Samsung user forum on AVS Forums we have a fix, with the AMP set to off, change it to clear press enter then change back to off and press enter.
The problem you are describing should now stop untill you watch Netflix or a different input standard and change back to broadcast TV.
Many people have reported this fix to Samsung but it still exists, they are a Korean company and as such don't like to be told what to do.
Hope this helps.
Rob van der Does
24-12-16, 07:50
On many TV's the setting 'ISF' (sometimes 'ISF 1/2' for day/night) does the same.
KNew I should of bought the LG.... haha...
Thansk for all you help - I will look at the suggested fixes later on when the wife and kids are a safe distance away.
Thank god other people know what I am talking about... My solution last night was to drink more red wine then the problem became less visible.
What is HDR and should I have that on,,, or is that just for use when gaming?
You only know what you know, and I dont know these things? I know you guys have a lot of tech knowledge,,,,,,, Thanks,,,,,,
What is HDR?
In a nutshell, it’s the ability to display a wider and richer range of colours, much brighter whites, and much deeper, darker blacks. This gives the TV picture a more ‘dynamic’ look, which is where the name comes from.
HDR content preserves details in the darkest and brightest areas of a picture that are lost using current standards. It also allows for more natural, true-to-life colours that are closer to how we see them in real life.
Contrast and colour are therefore the two main things to keep in mind when thinking about HDR. We’ll take a closer look at both, but first it would pay to go over the newly announced Ultra HD Premium label.
Related: Samsung 65KS9500
Rob van der Does
24-12-16, 13:32
But the ET8500 doesn't support HDR so no need to activate that on the TV (at least not for that input).
When I put it in HDR mode it is super bright... But Netflox has 4k HDR content - does anyone know if the TV switches to that format automatically or do I have to select it?
THanks,
James.
Rob van der Does
24-12-16, 16:06
Normally settings are per input.
DaMacFunkin
24-12-16, 17:27
On many TV's the setting 'ISF' (sometimes 'ISF 1/2' for day/night) does the same.
Isf stands for imaging science foundation and is for calibrating your TV and is not the same as motion processing or bfi (black frame insertion)
On Samsungs it is actually called Cal Day and Cal Night and needs to be enabled in the service menu although it is proven calibrating Movie mode for HDR is better than the Cal modes....
But we have gone way off track here.
Rob van der Does
24-12-16, 18:13
Yes, ut as I said on many TV's ISF settings (actually 2) are present (Philips & LG, possibly more) that are kind of pre-calibrated. This includes all 'enhancers' being disabled and hence they are a good start point. On Philips they are locked (unlock code is available via Google) and on LG they are open to change all settings.
It is going to have to go back and I will have to get the LG....
It is going to have to go back and I will have to get the LG....
The only question is what you are using it for: watching basically TV or streamed videos, gaming or a combination.
For gaming, I believe the "pro's" go for specialised monitors, they need the fastest screen response.
For combination, its difficult and probably a led/lcd is better.
For TV/streaming, I think there is only one technology in town - LG Oleds- but there are now at least 8 providers and some like Sony and Panasonic have always provided better "behind-the-scenes" drivers..... so it's not so straight forward!
... but none of them are cheap!
It is used mainly for watching TV and streamed media - hardly for games...
It suits all my needs as I am not super techy,,, however this slight judder is going to be hard to put up with when you pay £500 for a tv. Cant afford the OLEDs..
It has 4k, Netflix, catchup services and Smart TV. There wasnt much in it between the LG and Samsung, but the Samsung was £50 cheaper.
i think i was a bit mad when i bought my pioneer kuro as the price then was a months wages + sound was crap=no speakers as they came as extras but the quality and fast action 1920 x 1080 is mind blowing.
for some reason lg were returned as faulty far more than other brands back then.:rolleyes:
i think i was a bit mad when i bought my pioneer kuro as the price then was a months wages + sound was crap=no speakers as they came as extras but the quality and fast action 1920 x 1080 is mind blowing.
for some reason lg were returned as faulty far more than other brands back then.:rolleyes:
....and you are correct lg nearly died because of hardware issßues and competition from their close competitor... but in very recent years the boot is on the other foot.
LG have the technology and products ....if it wasn,t for the unbelievable Samsung marketing budget they would be back to just being a chip company.
This is the samsung I got,,,
http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/samsung/ue49ku6400/sams-ue49ku6400
This is the LG that I can get.
http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/49uh661v/lg-49uh661v
Thoughts - as it is all rock an roll to me.
James.
The LG is cheaper at ao.com.
Before buying any high priced item it often worth putting the model number in Google and attach the key word 'problems'. You will usually find that it will bring up a selection of user found problems/bugs. However you have to also realise that many of these postings are from people who think that the TV is set up correctly out-of-the box.
Quotes from 2 reviews on the same LG from the same site
i) The viewing experience is great and is helped by the HDR feature. ........ Sound quality is also great
ii) normal TV watching is awful, picture quality is dreadful, ........ Sound is very weak/ distorted
Rob van der Does
25-12-16, 05:31
Before swapping TV's I would have a go at a deeper look at settings, see e.g.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ju6400/settings
Not sure about this TV but it sometimes helps to use settings for PC-monitor.
Also see
https://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-ue49ku6400-owners-thoughts.2038498/
I have a ku6020 and have the judder whilst watching content from my duo. I have all motion enhancement switched off and it still does it.
I have just got used to it.
There is an HDR+ mode the mimics HDR content. It produces a really horrible Soap opera effect and makes me feel sick to watch it.
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Andy_Hazza
01-01-17, 10:50
Do you have refresh rate set to Multi? If not, try this. It is in A/V settings.
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Yes set at multi.
Only happens when there is a sudden movement of person or object.
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Rob van der Does
01-01-17, 11:35
No other special movie-modes or so?
Everything thing is off.
It doesn't happen that often to be honest.
Mostly noticeable watching the football or fast moving objects like F1
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Andy_Hazza
01-01-17, 12:46
Most likely the TV itself. Low end, low spec TV's will have low processing rate abilities, the higher the processing rate the smoother the football, motorsports is etc.
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