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beaudaniels
25-07-16, 23:29
Suffering with some glitching & freezing and I've a feeling it's my handy work cables?! :/
I'm using a 2way splitter (5-1000mhz), but still struggling with picture :confused:
Any recommendations would be gratefully received :)
Use an Attenuator on each tuner.
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beaudaniels
26-07-16, 07:08
Use an Attenuator on each tuner.
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Thanks Sicilia :)
I've just looked this up.
My DVB/S2 appears fine, but my tuner A (DVB/C) is not.
http://www.aerialsandtv.com/ampsandsplitters.html
I also wouldn't know if my signal was a good or poor quality in order for the attenuator to work as stated in the article?!
I'm this close to being killed by the Mrs :(
Too strong a signal could cause your issue, so could too weak. Try an Attenuator. They only couple of quid on Amazon or maplins.
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beaudaniels
26-07-16, 07:41
Too strong a signal could cause your issue, so could too weak. Try an Attenuator. They only couple of quid on Amazon or maplins.
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What db do you recommend?
Or shall I just buy two and both if one doesn't work?
I.e:10 or even 20db attenuator?
Amazon do variable, 20 bit much, try 6 or 10.
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I would always buy a variable attenuator that allows you to adjust to your environment
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 08:28
Will do, thanks guys... Really hope this works.....
..... Or I'm a dead man! :smash: lol
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 08:36
Amazon do variable, 20 bit much, try 6 or 10.
Looks like Maplin just do these as a variable - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/variable-aerial-attenuator-a03ht - Any good?
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 10:06
I would always buy a variable attenuator that allows you to adjust to your environment
Hi Twol :)
I've just been searching some more on these variable attenuators :eek: There are so many to choose from....
However, I do have a Maplins in Town, but it looks like they just stock this - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/variable-aerial-attenuator-a03ht
Just been watching this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxEoFW44Pf4 Guessing it's this one I need?
Will this suffice? - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cable-TV-Variable-0-20dB-Signal-Attenuator-with-F-Plug-Type-Connector-Fittings-/270901983423?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 11:52
Do these Variable attenuators connect straight into the back of the boxes......?
Because I have a loopthrough from Tuner A to B I'm guessing I need 2no. variable attenuators? :confused:
Looks like Maplin just do these as a variable - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/variable-aerial-attenuator-a03ht - Any good?
I tried this one, made no difference what so ever.
Hi Twol :)
I've just been searching some more on these variable attenuators :eek: There are so many to choose from....
However, I do have a Maplins in Town, but it looks like they just stock this - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/variable-aerial-attenuator-a03ht
Just been watching this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxEoFW44Pf4 Guessing it's this one I need?
Will this suffice? - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cable-TV-Variable-0-20dB-Signal-Attenuator-with-F-Plug-Type-Connector-Fittings-/270901983423?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
would this not work?
http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/satellite-and-terrestrial/attenuators/Labgear,10dB,Inline,Satellite,Attenuator
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 12:23
would this not work?
http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/satellite-and-terrestrial/attenuators/Labgear,10dB,Inline,Satellite,Attenuator
I have aerial (F & M) connectors on the back of my Xtrend ET8500. Just the DVB/S had the screw type......
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 12:32
2 of these perhaps? - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maximum-70123-F-connector-attenuator-10-dB-5-1000-MHz-Warranty-2Y-/351778849620?hash=item51e7a74354:g:TckAAOSwAvJXCSA j
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 12:43
Right, this is my current ebay trolley -
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The splitter cable will replace my current Loopthrough cable, but I will need to fit some female and male adaptors cos of the aerial connectors on the back of the Xtrend receiver....
I have aerial (F & M) connectors on the back of my Xtrend ET8500. Just the DVB/S had the screw type......
Adapters are available on ebay at little cost
The screw type ends are F connectors - the connectors on your tuner are coax (Belling Lee type)
Search ebay for 'F to Coax' adapters
Example
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-Socket-Adaptor-to-Male-Female-Coax-Adaptors-F-plug-/351052073150?hash=item51bc5588be:g:~hQAAMXQ4YtSL1W t
The above require the leads to have male F connectors but the adapters also come with female F ends.
All my (homemade) leads have F connectors on the ends and for by terrestrial tuners I just screw on the adapters. Splitters with F connectors can also be more secure (connection wise).
Right, this is my current ebay trolley -
http://cart.payments.ebay.co.uk/sc/add?srt=01000100000050a10f16b2fc79aa6a9322ef249675 b6336433df8c02ccaa79f79c892fa3a94a1cfa56fb12e63e66 912752c9f5031ea958fe5cc645bb458db490b3c2c9d365fa48 d8781fafd67fc60f1cd7bc72308983c7&ssPageName=CART:ATC&uloc=%7B%22postal%22%3A%22%22%7D&item=iid:351778848479,qty:2
An empty checkout possibly because you have already purchased and possibly because we don't know your Ebay password!
The splitter cable will replace my current Loopthrough cable, but I will need to fit some female and male adaptors cos of the aerial connectors on the back of the Xtrend receiver....
Splitter cable?? With no picture I cannot even imagine what that is. Splitting the signal passively reduces the signal level and my guess that your picture break-up is from a signal that is too low rather than too high. Loop-through is usually the way of getting the signal level back up. The tuner will have a x2 gain from input to output connector which gives output signal level = input signal level when correctly loaded with 75 ohms. A tuner input is 75 ohms.
Suffering with some glitching & freezing and I've a feeling it's my handy work cables?! :/
I'm using a 2way splitter (5-1000mhz), but still struggling with picture :confused:
Any recommendations would be gratefully received :)
Glitches and freezing can be usually be one of three things
i) Too little signal level
ii) Too much signal level (seen in the UK on terrestrial TV via an aerial when the box had sensitive tuners and the signal at the transmitter was increase with analogue switch off)
iii) Local electrical interference entering by inadequately screened down leads and fly leads. Often cured by using leads with 100% copper screening.
From memory I believe you are distributing a cable input rather than an aerial input.
Ignoring your satellite cables and just concentrating on one box that is glitching how is the cable companies cable split/distributed as in comes into your house and what type of cable have you used?
Example
Single cable enters house from pavement
This enters a cable company box where it is split two ways (one for TV, one for broadband) - the spitter output have F connectors (screw on type)
A cable then runs to a second 2 way splitter. The splitter has F connector. The input cable to this spitter is approx 7mm in diameter (to eliminate it may by a thinner RG65 type cable)
Assuming a splitter - where to both outputs go to and what cable is used approx 7mm diameter or a lot thinner?
etc. etc.
Do you have any cable connected to this distribution that is not connected to anything at the far end?
Have you used any old aerial lead that wasn't supplied by a sky fitter or the cable company
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 13:48
An empty checkout possibly because you have already purchased and possibly because we don't know your Ebay password!
Splitter cable?? With no picture I cannot even imagine what that is. Splitting the signal passively reduces the signal level and my guess that your picture break-up is from a signal that is too low rather than too high. Loop-through is usually the way of getting the signal level back up. The tuner will have a x2 gain from input to output connector which gives output signal level = input signal level when correctly loaded with 75 ohms. A tuner input is 75 ohms.
:confused: Tried switching the Tuners over and removing the loopthrough, but it was still doing it......
Reverted back to Tuner A with the loopthrough back in play and it's no further forward..... :/ With my Mrs, I'm lucky to even be typing this message out.....
This is the splitter cable I was going to use as a Loopthrough http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301260132167 , cos the loopthrough I received from WOS just wasn't fit for purpose..... Speaking of which, the tuner A connector isn't what I consider to be a 'tight' fit; as when in I'm able to wobble it slightly?!
I was going to order 2 of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310087610907
OR
4 of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351778848479 (2no. 6db and 2no. 10db)?
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 13:57
Glitches and freezing can be usually be one of three things
i) Too little signal level
ii) Too much signal level (seen in the UK on terrestrial TV via an aerial when the box had sensitive tuners and the signal at the transmitter was increase with analogue switch off)
iii) Local electrical interference entering by inadequately screened down leads and fly leads. Often cured by using leads with 100% copper screening.
From memory I believe you are distributing a cable input rather than an aerial input.
Ignoring your satellite cables and just concentrating on one box that is glitching how is the cable companies cable split/distributed as in comes into your house and what type of cable have you used?
Example
Single cable enters house from pavement
This enters a cable company box where it is split two ways (one for TV, one for broadband) - the spitter output have F connectors (screw on type)
A cable then runs to a second 2 way splitter. The splitter has F connector. The input cable to this spitter is approx 7mm in diameter (to eliminate it may by a thinner RG65 type cable)
Assuming a splitter - where to both outputs go to and what cable is used approx 7mm diameter or a lot thinner?
etc. etc.
Do you have any cable connected to this distribution that is not connected to anything at the far end?
Have you used any old aerial lead that wasn't supplied by a sky fitter or the cable company
Had cable installed last week and because I've just gone SD upstairs on the Edision I didn't need to use a splitter in the outside brown box.
As a result, I have one splitter - The new white cable that comes out of the White box in the front room is connected to the 'in' of the splitter.
I then have a cable (white TiVo cable) which is approx 7mm I'd say from one of the 'outs' on said splitter running into the main HUB/router.
Then on the other 'out' I have it plugged into tuner A of my Xtrend.... belling Lee type :/
My loop through is then Loop A into top connector B....
Hope I've made sense with all of that.....
:confused: Tried switching the Tuners over and removing the loopthrough, but it was still doing it......
Reverted back to Tuner A with the loopthrough back in play and it's no further forward..... .
If, and I mean if, the problem is with two little signal then removing the loop-through will make no difference. The signal into the first tuner will be too low for reliable operation. Connecting anything to the tuner output does not load the input signal - it remains the same level irrespective of the tuner output being used, or not.
This is the splitter cable I was going to use as a Loopthrough http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301260132167 , cos the loopthrough I received from WOS just wasn't fit for purpose.....
Ah, a loop-through cable and not a splitter cable. That cable should be is OK and will require some F to coax adapter (see link in my other post). The WOS loop-through possibly wasn't for the cable/terrestrial TV tuners but a loop-trough for the F connections for two satellite tuners for when the user has only one satellite down-lead. I don't recall either of my boxes from WOS coming with a terrestrial (belling lee type) loop-through cable. However I tend to make my own with WF100 cable. By the way, for test purposes you can use an loop-trough cable that is one or two meters long - loop-through cables are only very short for cosmetic reasons to keep the area behind you box more tidy.
Speaking of which, the tuner A connector isn't what I consider to be a 'tight' fit; as when in I'm able to wobble it slightly?!
Cheap Belling Lee (coax) type connectors tend to come in three qualities
i) Adequate
ii) S**t
iii) More S**t
Some of the F to coax adapters seem to be much better in that they are not constructed from soft 'monkey' metal.
One small trick is to get a large pair of pliers and make the connector of the end of the cable VERY slightly oval - but only by a gnats cock amount - you don't want to distort the mating half in the tuner
If you already have coax connectors on the end of the lead and you want to change to F (with an adapter)...
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fplugs.htm
F plugs usually around £1.50 for 10 on Ebay.
However, I would be tempted to sort out your distribution problem before changing too many things which may be regarded as purely cosmetic
I was going to order 2 of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310087610907
OR
4 of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351778848479 (2no. 6db and 2no. 10db)?
An alternative source I have used (prices include VAT and postage
http://www.beststuff.co.uk/store/Attenuators/
I would buy just one variable attenuator just to see if the problem is too much signal. It this isn't the cause then you won't waste money on unnecessary attenuators.
Had cable installed last week and because I've just gone SD upstairs on the Edision I didn't need to use a splitter in the outside brown box.
As a result, I have one splitter - The new white cable that comes out of the White box in the front room is connected to the 'in' of the splitter.
I then have a cable (white TiVo cable) which is approx 7mm I'd say from one of the 'outs' on said splitter running into the main HUB/router.
Then on the other 'out' I have it plugged into tuner A of my Xtrend.... belling Lee type :/
My loop through is then Loop A into top connector B....
Hope I've made sense with all of that.....
That sounds OK. Not too many splits and with a better quality cable. So perhaps it is too much signal ???
Have you got a TiVo connected to the system (and if so from where) and does this have problems with reception.
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 14:57
That sounds OK. Not too many splits and with a better quality cable. So perhaps it is too much signal ???
Have you got a TiVo connected to the system (and if so from where) and does this have problems with reception.
We have no Tivo box, just the Broadband and phoneline.
The only issues we're getting is with the Xtrend ET8500 at present.
I may pop to Maplins and grab 1no. Variable attenuator - how would I fix this to box - Directly into the back or using a secondary piece of white TiVo cable from Attenuator to Tuner A?
Also, just out of curiosity - because my 2way splitter is 5-1000mhz, does the variable attenuator need to be the same or doesn't it matter if it happens to be 5-2300/2400mhz for example?
I have loads of coax belling connectors. I reckon I paid Screwfix a visit 3 times, Maplins once, Homebase Twice and hughes TV & audio once. Have packets of most connectors now lol :whistle:
Thanks for this info, much appreciated :thumbsup:
First things first when I get home - Using long nose pliers I'm going to attempt ovalling one of the F connectors and then connect the attenuator. Rather than spend a small fortune, for the sake of one attenuator I may as well just spend a few quid. However, Maplins are the only ones closeby who only stock these - http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/variable-aerial-attenuator-a03ht - Worth getting and trying?
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 19:44
Ok, I'm on my setup, signal finder and tuner A. When I press ok to scan I just get a blue bar?
Should something be happening? :/
beaudaniels
26-07-16, 19:56
I have an Attenuator....
What's the best way to connect to tuner A?
We have no Tivo box, just the Broadband and phoneline.
Am I missing something here? If you haven't subscribed to cable TV how are going to get TV via your cable broadband/phone line into a tuner?
beaudaniels
27-07-16, 08:43
Am I missing something here? If you haven't subscribed to cable TV how are going to get TV via your cable broadband/phone line into a tuner?
I have subscribed, just using my own receivers......
It appears to be working now and the Edision has worked from the off, but then that's just DVB-S to which I'm using the multiroom cables.
it's been a good few days of Hell, but the Mrs loves me again and all appears well :amen::thumbsup:
I really did think it just wasn't going to happen........
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