Mutant HD2400 with 2x Hybrid DVB-C/T/T2 Tuners What Connector Needed?

[shadowman007]

Sorry I know this is a satellite section but did not know where to post. I just bought a Mutant HD2400 receiver which came with 2x Hybrid DVB-C/T/T2 Tuners. However the cable feed I have is a screw on coax (if that makes sense :confused: ) but the back of the receiver has this picture below:

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What connectors do I need?

[manicscrewdriver]

You need two of these. F connector to male RF connector. you can get one from that famous online auction site for under £1

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VM use screw on F connectors, where as most cable tuners on non VM boxes use the same RF connector as a DVB-T2 tuner (terrestrial)

[adm]

F type to coax (belling lee) adapters You may want to get both male and female adapters
Ebay listing taken at random


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-Socket-Adaptor-to-Male-Female-Coax-Adaptors-F-plug-/351052073150?hash=item51bc5588be:g:~hQAAMXQ4YtSL1W t




With two terrestrial tuners you probably will also need a short loop cable to connect the output from tuner 1 to the input of tuner 2
You could buy a short F to F cable and use two adapters above (one male and one female)
Another random Ebay listing


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Short-16cm-F-Plug-Male-to-Male-Cable-fr-Sky-Satellite-Virgin-Media-TV-Coax-Cable-/281620854459?hash=item4191e936bb:g:W1gAAOSwBahU-dAW


or alternatively buy a short (belling lee) coax to coax lead - one end male the other female although the short leads listed on Ebay appear to be male to male but supplied with a poor quality male to female adapter.

[shadowman007]

You need two of these. F connector to male RF connector. you can get one from that famous online auction site for under £1

47320

VM use screw on F connectors, where as most cable tuners on non VM boxes use the same RF connector as a DVB-T2 tuner (terrestrial)


Hi why will I need 2 of the above? I only have one feed (cable) going in?

[abu baniaz]

See this thread.
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?44799-Loop-RF-out-for-Cable-Terrestrial

Depends on the loop cable you have.

[manicscrewdriver]

Its in the title "Mutant HD2400 with 2x Hybrid DVB-C/T/T2 Tuners"

You could just link the tuner 1 to tuner 2 using a normal RF patch lead, i myself would just use two feeds from a F splitter , hence x2.

I dont always give obvious answers,which i suppose is due to me being in the industry which makes me look at things differently to the normal hobbyist :D

I look at things insertion loss and loss through one tuner to the other, its more likely i would come to the conclusion its better to use two feeds rather than using a cable between the two tuners. Its just the way my mind works due to working with multi dwelling systems nearly every day.

I also have all the stuff i need to do it that way in my garage which helps :eek:

[shadowman007]

F type to coax (belling lee) adapters You may want to get both male and female adapters
Ebay listing taken at random


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-Socket-Adaptor-to-Male-Female-Coax-Adaptors-F-plug-/351052073150?hash=item51bc5588be:g:~hQAAMXQ4YtSL1W t




With two terrestrial tuners you probably will also need a short loop cable to connect the output from tuner 1 to the input of tuner 2
You could buy a short F to F cable and use two adapters above (one male and one female)
Another random Ebay listing


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Short-16cm-F-Plug-Male-to-Male-Cable-fr-Sky-Satellite-Virgin-Media-TV-Coax-Cable-/281620854459?hash=item4191e936bb:g:W1gAAOSwBahU-dAW


or alternatively buy a short (belling lee) coax to coax lead - one end male the other female although the short leads listed on Ebay appear to be male to male but supplied with a poor quality male to female adapter.

Hi thanks, you mentioned I may want to get both male and female is there a reason for this?

[shadowman007]

Its in the title "Mutant HD2400 with 2x Hybrid DVB-C/T/T2 Tuners"

You could just link the tuner 1 to tuner 2 using a normal RF patch lead, i myself would just use two feeds from a F splitter , hence x2.

I dont always give obvious answers,which i suppose is due to me being in the industry which makes me look at things differently to the normal hobbyist :D

I look at things insertion loss and loss through one tuner to the other, its more likely i would come to the conclusion its better to use two feeds rather than using a cable between the two tuners. Its just the way my mind works due to working with multi dwelling systems nearly every day.

I also have all the stuff i need to do it that way in my garage which helps :eek:

With the above setup using either a RF patch lead or a F splitter can I record one channel while watching another? Or does using a RF patch lead or a F splitter just let me record one channel and only watch another if it's on the same transponder?

[adm]

The tuner in and tuner out connections on each tuner are different connectors - one is male the other female.

[shadowman007]

The tuner in and tuner out connections on each tuner are different connectors - one is male the other female.

My Mutant HD2400 comes with 2x Hybrid DVB-C/T/T2 Tuners if i setup using say a f splitter will I have access to 2 transponders? meaning I can record from 2 different transponders.

[adm]

With the above setup using either a RF patch lead or a F splitter can I record one channel while watching another? Or does using a RF patch lead or a F splitter just let me record one channel and only watch another if it's on the same transponder?

Satellite and Terertrial (cable) are slightly different when looping one tuner to another

If you bring your single cable into tuner 1 input and then connect tuner 1 output to tuner 2 input you will get full functionality from your dual tuner box. You will be able to watch one channel and record ANY other channel irrespective of the MUX (transponder) it's on. With two tuners connected this way you can tune into 2 MUXs and record maybe 8 or more programs on those two MUXs. Exactly the same is achieved by splitting your cable input and using two cables, one into each of the two tuners.

Satellite is different because the cable not only carries the broadcast information from the LNB but also control signals from the tuner back up the cable to the LNB. You cannot have two satellite tuners sending competing (clashing) control information up a single cable to a single LNB. Terrestrial TV from cable or an aerial doesn't have this control information and therefore can be distributed in a different way.

There have been some posts from some people with problems when splitting UK cable too many times which have been cured by removing the numer of signal splits and using looping instead.

see
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?48860-Added-second-cable-tuner-but-I-am-getting-bad-picture
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?49631-Cable-loop-through-setup&highlight=splitter

[shadowman007]

Satellite and Terertrial (cable) are slightly different when looping one tuner to another

If you bring your single cable into tuner 1 input and then connect tuner 1 output to tuner 2 input you will get full functionality from your dual tuner box. You will be able to watch one channel and record ANY other channel irrespective of the MUX (transponder) it's on. With two tuners connected this way you can tune into 2 MUXs and record maybe 8 or more programs on those two MUXs. Exactly the same is achieved by splitting your cable input and using two cables, one into each of the two tuners.

Satellite is different because the cable not only carries the broadcast information from the LNB but also control signals from the tuner back up the cable to the LNB. You cannot have two satellite tuners sending competing (clashing) control information up a single cable to a single LNB. Terrestrial TV from cable or an aerial doesn't have this control information and therefore can be distributed in a different way.

There have been some posts from some people with problems when splitting UK cable too many times which have been cured by removing the numer of signal splits and using looping instead.

see
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?48860-Added-second-cable-tuner-but-I-am-getting-bad-picture
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?49631-Cable-loop-through-setup&highlight=splitter

Thanks really appreciate this, also what would you say is the best way to go using a 2 way splitter or have a cable going from tuner 1 output into tuner 2 input? Which would be better quality wise? or does this not matter?

[adm]

Thanks really appreciate this, also what would you say is the best way to go using a 2 way splitter or have a cable going from tuner 1 output into tuner 2 input? Which would be better quality wise? or does this not matter?

Are you already splitting the input signal for broadband etc? If so perhaps go down the loop cable route. It's your choice - 6 of one half a dozen of the other :)

Quality wise it should make no difference. Digital doesn't tend to degrade in a subtle or progressive way. It either works or it doesn't. Depending on the signal input level into the house you could get more than adequate signal levels after splitting 2 or 3 ways - but remember every passive split reduces the signal level.

If you do go down the splitting route and it doesn't give reliable results you always have the alternative of using fewer splits and using the looping method.

Make sure that you get a fully screened splitter


http://www.admac.myzen.co.uk/Splitter/


Examples suitable for terestrial TV


http://www.beststuff.co.uk/store/konig-fc-2splt-st-kn-satellite-f-splitter.htm
http://www.beststuff.co.uk/store/konig-3-way-f-splitter-2250mhz.htm


But take note of my previously linked post - the more splits the lower the signal.