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from anga today
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Any idea when it will be available from WOS?
DaMacFunkin
09-06-15, 13:00
Do I want one? F yeah I do, any info on supported codecs, it will obviously support hevc but what about vp9?
Hi,
ETA in Germany is expected to be September. Guessed price >€500. CPU is ARM so I doubt that E2 is running on that box. Sad that they did not include HDMI in. They seem to use quite interesting new tuner type which should be extremely fast as most things are done digital instead analog like in current tuner.
ciao
E2 will run native on ARM, i believe we just need a kernel and drivers.
DaMacFunkin
09-06-15, 15:43
...and some 4k skins eh?
DaMacFunkin
09-06-15, 15:45
If anybody gets the chance to ask, ask if the HDMI 2.0 will be upgradeable to 2.0a (HDR) when those specs are finalised.
Oh Boy do I like this!:D. am looking to purchase a new box soon
with it being an ARM cpu, it may open doors for other things on the box.
with it being an ARM cpu, it may open doors for other things on the box.
what does the ARM cpu mean?
DaMacFunkin
09-06-15, 18:49
ARM is a manufacturer but it also means it could maybe run android apps, or maybe adapt apps such as Netflix and Youtube to run on it (Thats why i am asking about VP9 (Youtube 4K) and HDR, due to appear on Netflix later this year).
i guess we'd have to wait for final specs, just guessing at the mo.
The cpu is probably this (only a guess though)
https://www.broadcom.com/products/Satellite/HDTV-SDTV-Video,-Graphics,-and-Receiver-Products/BCM7251
It could also be this:
http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s862249
Ok some more info here:
http://satkurier.pl/news/116352/premiera-vu-solo-4k-na-anga-com-2015.html
with it being an ARM cpu, it may open doors for other things on the box.
Watcha thinkin Rossi?
Watcha thinkin
from that page linked above:
How to ensure distributor - receivers are ready, the software (properly adapted versions of E2, Android, and XBMC Media Center for ARM processors), and the receiver will go on sale probably in mid-July.
It has 2 embedded fbc sat tuners https://www.broadcom.com/products/set-top-box-and-media-processors/satellite/bcm4528
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sounds great... i will get one as soon as a vix image is available... ;-)
btw.
i've been using vix images since 4 or so years now... and i must say that latest ones are absolutely the best. thanks for the excellent work.
Is it me or is it dissapointing looks wise?
You'd have thought they would have updated the vu 'brick look' to something modern looking... a few curves wouldn't go amiss...
Hi,
I need brick look to stack several devices. I hate design object were design cripples function. What I would liked is an oled display over the whole front.
ciao
Hi,
I need brick look to stack several devices. I hate design object were design cripples function. What I would liked is an oled display over the whole front.
ciao
OLED display. Now your talking!
Hi,
I need brick look to stack several devices. I hate design object were design cripples function. What I would liked is an oled display over the whole front.
ciao
I should have made it clearer that i meant a few curves on the front and sides wouldn't go amiss.
I'd never stack anything myself,but each to his own...
I'd love to get a 4K receiver but the large screen on the front is pointless when the unit is in an enclosed cupboard!
DaMacFunkin
10-06-15, 17:31
You can turn it off..
Rob van der Does
10-06-15, 19:41
...but the large screen on the front is pointless when the unit is in an enclosed cupboard!
You can turn it off..
That doesn't make it useful :p
It's running 'normal' Enigma2.
Super fast in zapping with the new fbc tuners.
Available mid july so they say
http://satkurier.pl/news/116352/premiera-vu-solo-4k-na-anga-com-2015.html
Processor 10K DMIPS
2G Ram
4GB Flash
Fixed Dual FBC Tuner
Pluggable Dual S2/C/T/T2 Tuner
Detachable 2.5 "HDD
3.5 " Front LCD
Nothing confirmed, but a rumour suggests cost to be around 500 euro's
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gigablue has a new 4k box too with a 25K DMIPS
gigablue has a new 4k box too with a 25K DMIPS
No, they had what looks like a current box, with 2 stickers on it saying UHD 4k, and a spec list that looks pretty much like the spec of a current box, but with an impressive cpu listed.
The tv looked like it was showing a UHD demo vid.
Hi,
ETA in Germany is expected to be September. Guessed price >€500. CPU is ARM so I doubt that E2 is running on that box. Sad that they did not include HDMI in. They seem to use quite interesting new tuner type which should be extremely fast as most things are done digital instead analog like in current tuner.
ciao
The Xtrend 11000 has HDMI In and Out (from a video recording at (I guess) Anga), 3 plug play tuners and 2,5 HDD support but otherwise looks like a typical Xtrend box (no 3.5 LCD like ET8500)
gigablue has a new 4k box too with a 25K DMIPS
No, they had what looks like a current box, with 2 stickers on it saying UHD 4k, and a spec list that looks pretty much like the spec of a current box, but with an impressive cpu listed.
The tv looked like it was showing a UHD demo vid.
Also it seems there are no 25k dmips cpu's yet
DaMacFunkin
11-06-15, 18:50
It will be the same processor as VU+ I would put money on it.
DaMacFunkin
11-06-15, 18:53
The 'vid' you refer to is probably the SES Astra UHD demo channel, it is available on 28.2 and 19.2 I have it tuned in on my Samsung UHD set and it is HEVC at 29 Mbps and it is pretty darn impressive let me tell you, shame it is just a 10 minute loop :(
The 'vid' you refer to is probably the SES Astra UHD demo channel, it is available on 28.2 and 19.2 I have it tuned in on my Samsung UHD set and it is HEVC at 29 Mbps and it is pretty darn impressive let me tell you, shame it is just a 10 minute loop :(
No idea as I don't have an hdtv, but most of the pics i've seen of the SES Astra UHD demo say either SES or Astra on them.
does anybody know how those fcb tuners work? i understand that one fcb can decode a full band. so, i'd assume that 2 fcbs (one for low band, one for high band) is all you need to decode as many channels in parallel as you like or the box can handle?
Rob van der Does
15-06-15, 12:42
I guess a special LNB is required for this.
DaMacFunkin
15-06-15, 12:46
I was thinking the same, but will the new lnb also work with older quadrant style tuners?
I guess a special LNB is required for this.
could be, but i haven't seen any indication of a new lnb type.
Hi,
afaik no new LNB is needed. I understand it this way:
- Old system
Tuner locks to a transponder and makes analog -> digital conversion for demuxer. So 1 tuner = 1 transponder
- New system
Tuner digitizes a complete band and makes it digital. Tuner has 8 demuxer so 1 tuner = up to 8 transponder in 1 band.
ciao
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/broadcom-launches-satellite-stb-platform-with-fbc-technology--825291
DaMacFunkin
15-06-15, 20:00
Just seen this posted by betacentauri in another forum, note to get full functionality he mentions special LNB, The functionality with normal LNB doesn't seem to be any different to what we can already achieve:
"Regarding tuner: The 2 dvb-s2 tuner(full band capture tuner) can (with special LNB) tune 8 different transponder. With normal LNB you have 2 + 6*loopthrough."
Rob van der Does
16-06-15, 05:47
"Regarding tuner: The 2 dvb-s2 tuner(full band capture tuner) can (with special LNB) tune 8 different transponder. With normal LNB you have 2 + 6*loopthrough."
And that sounds perfectly logical to me.
in addition i think that the new lnbs (which are not on the market yet) have a requirement for higher quality coax cables between lnb and stb because the bandwidth is 4 times as high compared to current lnbs, assuming the new lnbs can receive all 4 quadrants in parallel.
and no diseqc control needed anymore?
Hi,
just look at broadcoms site:
The efficiency of Full-Band Capture converts the entire analog 1 GHz cable signal to a digital signal. This high-
speed precision conversion replaces all the analog tuners in a system. With the entire RF signal in digital form,
advanced digital signal processing techniques can be used to digitally tune multiple channels simultaneously
at near instantaneous speeds. Each digitally tuned channel then feeds the signal into a digital demodulator that
outputs a transport stream for use in DOCSIS or broadcast services. One Full-Band Capture Digital Tuner can
service any number of demodulators. Each demodulator can access any frequency without restriction or
relationship to other channels.
there is no word of all bands and one cable. 1GHz is the bandwith one band now uses.
ciao
Hi,
just look at broadcoms site:
The efficiency of Full-Band Capture converts the entire analog 1 GHz cable signal to a digital signal. This high-
speed precision conversion replaces all the analog tuners in a system. With the entire RF signal in digital form,
advanced digital signal processing techniques can be used to digitally tune multiple channels simultaneously
at near instantaneous speeds. Each digitally tuned channel then feeds the signal into a digital demodulator that
outputs a transport stream for use in DOCSIS or broadcast services. One Full-Band Capture Digital Tuner can
service any number of demodulators. Each demodulator can access any frequency without restriction or
relationship to other channels.
there is no word of all bands and one cable. 1GHz is the bandwith one band now uses.
ciao
that's for cable.
for sat it says:
Broadcom's FBC technology digitises the 950-2150 MHz spectrum, replacing multiple discrete tuners with only one FBC chip.
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/broadcom-launches-satellite-stb-platform-with-fbc-technology--825291
Rob van der Does
16-06-15, 09:20
The wideband FBC will be (relative) easy for Cable & Terrestrial. Hence my idea that for Satellite a special LNB would be required for optimal use of the FBC-functionality.
The wideband FBC will be (relative) easy for Cable & Terrestrial. Hence my idea that for Satellite a special LNB would be required for optimal use of the FBC-functionality.
yes, i think so too.
the new lnb would no longer need horizontal/vertical, high/low band selection (except for backward compatibility maybe) but would deliver the complete sat frequency spectrum. would make it a lot easier: no switching, just one cable for 8 transponders in parallel.
Hi,
"Broadcom's FBC technology digitises the 950-2150 MHz spectrum, replacing multiple discrete tuners with only one FBC chip. "
did you make a fast math? It is around 1GHz and high- + low-band is around 2GHz and with horz + vert it is around 4GHz. It was running as a demo on anga and fast switch was only in one band.
Ralf
not sure I understand.
Low Band Input Frequency Range:
10.7~11.7 GHz
Low Band Output Frequency Range:
950~1950 MHz
LO Frequency:
9.75 GHz
High Band Input Frequency Range:
11.7~12.75 GHz
High Band Output Frequency Range:
1100~2150 MHz
LO Frequency:
10.6 GHz
this is from an lnb spec.
according to my math the 950 - 2150 range spans the whole lnb range.
but, and there you have a point... we also have horizontal and vertical which is the same range.
so, the new conclusion is: you need 2 fcb tuners and 2 cables for everything: one tuner for vertical, one tuner for horizontal (that would also explain why the chips have 2 tuners built-in).
agree?
p.s. this would still require new lnbs that deliver low and high band together.
DaMacFunkin
16-06-15, 12:44
If VU+ just want to send me a unit I'll tell you all how it works, fair deal I think.
If VU+ just want to send me a unit I'll tell you all how it works, fair deal I think.
yes, fair deal :cool:
what i don't understand is: fbc tuners were already announced in 2011. so, this is not brand new stuff. if they required new lnbs i'd assume that the lnb manufacturers would have already announced those. but no.
so? looks like there are no plans for new ones to me. :eek:
yes, fair deal :cool:
what i don't understand is: fbc tuners were already announced in 2011. so, this is not brand new stuff. if they required new lnbs i'd assume that the lnb manufacturers would have already announced those. but no.
so? looks like there are no plans for new ones to me. :eek:
in 2011 the chipset is introduced.
Mostly it takes some time to make products using that chipset.
I guess this chipset is also used in the new DOCSIS 3.1 modems (Cable internet).
Hi,
Low Band Input Frequency Range:
10.7~11.7 GHz
High Band Input Frequency Range:
11.7~12.75 GHz
according to my math the 950 - 2150 range spans the whole lnb range.
11.7-10.7 = 1GHz
12.75-11.7 = 1.05GHz
1 + 1.05 > 1.2 so it will not fit. 950-2150 is only valid when you switch bands. Without switching you need >2GHz. You must look at the input not the ouput.
p.s. this would still require new lnbs that deliver low and high band together.
My good, old LNBs are delivering high- and low-band without switching bands. They are among the first digital enabled universal LNBs from 1998.
Ralf
so, what's your conclusion?
so, what's your conclusion?
wait and see ? :D
wait and see ? :D
that's one option ;)
the other is to make an educated guess... and i think trial is right...
so my conclusion is: there won't be any new lnbs because due to the frequency spectrum an lbc tuner can only decode 1 quadrant simulaneously. so, 1 lbc tuner is equivalent to 1 tuner plus 7 loopthrus with fast switching only in 1 quadrant.
DaMacFunkin
16-06-15, 16:35
Or that maybe both connections are required to get the full bandwidth...
Hi,
2*1/4 is only 1/2:-)
Add me to wait and see:-)
I am quite sure that I will have a 4K STB at the end of the year. There are 4 competitors so I hope at least 1 will make it this year.
ciao
Rob van der Does
17-06-15, 02:07
....There are 4 competitors so I hope at least 1 will make it this year.
Are they all using FBC-tuners?
DaMacFunkin
17-06-15, 07:47
Well I'm a sucker and seeing as I already have a 4k set I will probably have one as soon as is humanly possible.
Hi,
I only read it for VU+ and it seems it was also the only running box at anga.
ciao
Well I'm a sucker and seeing as I already have a 4k set I will probably have one as soon as is humanly possible.
I have 4K tv set too, but if we need new LNB's I've shot it as i'm running on a communal dish.... No separate sat dishes allowed.
No need for new LNBs - they are not involved in the decoding of signals. Analogue, digital, SD, HD, makes no difference. You only need different LNBs if you are after satellites using different bands, like Ka band or C etc.
4K HD will have to be carried on existing sats if it is to have any chance of commercial success, though I think personally that IP TV is the way forward for anyone with decent broadband.
Rob van der Does
17-06-15, 13:33
No need for new LNBs - they are not involved in the decoding of signals. ...
The idea was that the new FBC-tuners might need a new kind of LNB to be able to pass on the full bandwidth. See above postings.
The idea was that the new FBC-tuners might need a new kind of LNB to be able to pass on the full bandwidth. See above postings.Well that is not going to happen. According to Broadcom range is 950-2150MHz so that is just the block, not the whole band.
The LO in the LNB downmixes a complete range of frequencies for carrying on the downlead cable. If a specialised tuner in the receiver wants to downmix an entire spectrum of frequencies and digitise it, then so be it, but this would not affect the LNB. Software Defined Radio (SDR) already does this type of process.
Apart from the creation of the "universal LNB" which regulated the LO frequencies and bands with the introduction of more transponders on the Astra satellites in the '90's, the actual function of LNBs has not changed since analogue days. I accept that specialist tuners/receivers may well provide a facility to work with specialist LNBs, but the manufacturers will not sell too many if they don't work with existing kit ;)
Tony, Broadcom spec says 950 - 2150 MHz. That is 1.2 GHz bandwidth. The band is 10700 - 12750 MHz, i.e. 2.05 GHz bandwidth (x2, H and V). So irrespective of what happens at the LNB the Broadcom tuner only has sufficient bandwidth for the block and not the whole band. Most likely thing is this is just bumf written buy some non-technical person in sales who doesn't have the first idea how the tuner really works.
To get the entire band (V-H, Hi-Lo) you would need a tuner capable of 4.1 GHz of bandwidth and an LNB capable of converting that into something the new tuner can work with. And when you look at that range the upper frequency is going to be in the 5GHz range, well above anything that you can get down conventional satellite co-ax.
yes, that's how it is.... unfortunately ;-)
in the above speculation at least I was mislead a bit by "full band capture" thinking that would be something terribly new beyond a block.
Nearly all sat tuners have the same tuning range. The IF coming from the LNB is 950MHz - 1950MHz in the low band and 1100MHz - 2150MHz in the high band, so the tuning range is just over 1GHz at the receiver in two groups and the total frequency range on the cable is 2GHz. The practical issues for an LNB would be how you would separate horizontally and vertically polarised channels and present them down the cable in such a way that the tuner could separate them. The cable is already handling the existing spread but it's difficult (as you say) to see how it would extend to 4GHz in that was the method adopted to carry the H&V signals.
DaMacFunkin
17-06-15, 19:06
Forgive me for getting involved in a technical discussion using laymans terms, but isn't there a device on the market that can combine the signal from 2 lnb feeds, down one cable and seperate it back at the user end? so H & V down a single cable should be possible.
Yes. Stacker/destacker. That combines 2 blocks and one block loses a lot of signal due to the high frequency. But here we are talking 4 blocks so double the frequency.
DaMacFunkin
17-06-15, 19:59
Into a double tuner?
we need 4 fcb tuners and 4 cables connected to a quattro-lnb to handle it all.
today i have 2 cables and 4 tuners 2 + 2 loopthrus. that's good enough for me.
so, i can live with 2 fcb tuners... which is better than what i have today.
Don't forget a lot of providers have all their stuff on one block, C+ Esp for example.
But anyway none of the talk so far has thought about multi-sat.
Hi,
what about muti-sat? It does not change anything compared to today and single sat. Only one band of one sat is active in the cable because of diseqc.
ciao
... and don't forget these guys are out there to make money and sell these new boxes, so its not going to need major technology changes - they learned a long time ago that stepwise changes are the only way to get most people to change. .... 3D was a step too far for many people :)
Hi,
what about muti-sat? It does not change anything compared to today and single sat. Only one band of one sat is active in the cable because of diseqc.
ciaomy point is FCB allows all services from one block, from one satellite to be available, whereas a conventional tuner only allows all services from one transponder. In all other respects it would be the same as now.
Also, can this be handled by the driver or is it going to require big changes to E2 CPP code?
Rob van der Does
18-06-15, 11:18
Not sure, but VU managed to get it to work...
Rob van der Does
18-06-15, 11:26
my point is FCB allows all services from one block, from one satellite to be available, whereas a conventional tuner only allows all services from one transponder.
That would make sense indeed.
So instead of 'one tuner = one transponder' (so number of transponders is limited by the number of tuners) it will be 'one tuner = all transponders' in the same 'quadrant' (so number of transponders is limited by number of demuxers).
Hi,
I think handling the new technology should/must be done by the driver and E2 shouldn´t care. BUT when one tuner is active then E2 only shows the services on this transponder and this must be adapted then imho.
ciao
could be handled by configuration:
1 fbc tuner = 1 physical tuner plus 7 virtual loopthru tuners
so on your sat configuration panel you see 8 tuners instead of one.
Hi 1stein,
could be a good solution. Let´s wait and see.
ciao
DaMacFunkin
02-10-15, 12:53
Hurray the day is here, just ordered my Solo 4k should have it middle of next week, looks like I will have to use openpli till VIX sort a port out....
Ps can you add a Solo 4k section to forum, thanks.
Andy_Hazza
02-10-15, 13:31
Hurray the day is here, just ordered my Solo 4k should have it middle of next week, looks like I will have to use openpli till VIX sort a port out....
Ps can you add a Solo 4k section to forum, thanks.
Where you ordered from and how much buddy?
DaMacFunkin
02-10-15, 15:43
It was from shopping for sa****ite (Google link) and it was the quoted €500 although I've added a dual c/t2 tuner extea as well, they have been expecting stock today and true enough they came into stock.
It was from shopping for sa****ite (Google link) and it was the quoted €500 although I've added a dual c/t2 tuner extea as well, they have been expecting stock today and true enough they came into stock.
It seems strange that the main european distributor hasn't listed them on there own website yet, but other sites are saying they have stock.
Also interesting to see they will install a 3rd party image (PLi) for a little extra, but I don't see any image available from PLi (or any other teams) yet.
I hope it's a genuine seller you have purchased from.
Hi,
more or less official release date is end of this month/start of next month. I have my doubts that you receive your box next week.
ciao
DaMacFunkin
02-10-15, 19:09
We will see if I don't get a dispatch confirmation from them by Monday I may cancel the order.
Ps I am thinking that the option to add pli may just be a copy and paste error on their website.
Andy_Hazza
02-10-15, 19:30
sat s**p tv is listing them as available also but you have to email for price and availability.
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Well i found a couple of sites and they both said Openpli... But time will tell.. Perhaps I,ll try and read the german mag with a write up, it might say there.
Actually the article says you only currently have the image thats delivered on the box.... Doesn,t say which.
Also says that at some time there will be other images such as openatv & VTI
Actually the article says you only currently have the image thats delivered on the box.... Doesn,t say which.
Also says that at some time there will be other images such as openatv & VTI
probably VU+ image
I would buy one of these at euro 500 conversion about £350.00, I'm looking at the spec and the chip I think is rated at 1500mhz where the duo 2 and solo 2 are 1300mhz. I would like to know though if the non 4k channels such as normal hd channels from europe can be watched on a normal hd tv or does the box upsale. I think it should work on non 4k tv's but I would need to make sure. I have held off buying the 1300mhz receivers due to the fact I knew these where coming out, hope there on general sale before christmas.
We will see if I don't get a dispatch confirmation from them by Monday I may cancel the order.
Ps I am thinking that the option to add pli may just be a copy and paste error on their website.
You might as well ask them for a refund today then :D
Rob van der Does
03-10-15, 15:42
Hurray the day is here, just ordered my Solo 4k should have it middle of next week, looks like I will have to use openpli till VIX sort a port out....
Well, in the mean time you have discovered that PLi has no image for this box. Every image builder is waiting for VU+......
looks like it's starting to ship 10/26...
does the vix team already have a beta test box?
looks like it's starting to ship 10/26...
does the vix team already have a beta test box?
keep us updated. am keen on getting ne of these:thumbsup:
Rob van der Does
15-10-15, 09:54
Nope, we don't have any box.
VU has added th 4k to it's GiT today; see
http://code.vuplus.com/gitweb/?p=vuplus_openvuplus_3.0;a=commit;h=42989afc516f84 aac0a85e9a09dc238e461781ef
And here's the e-manual for the box: 45139
then there is no need to hurry ;-)
DaMacFunkin
15-10-15, 12:53
Everybody I have spoken to says they have been told they will be being released by VU+ European distributor on the 26th and it will then take a few days for them to arrive in stock then be shipped out to customers, so don't be thinking you will have one on the 27th.
Ps *******(.)fi are advertising them with Vix... Be careful out there guys one company told me they had them instock, I ended up getting a refund.
i plan to buy from amazon.de... apply for a visa card, get a 50€ discount for the deal, and then cancel the visa again.
499€ plus dual-dvbs2-tuner plus disk is kind of a financial challenge for such a box. :-)
i will probably get one when the sponsors start selling them, i have been thinking of getting a new TV to replace my 32" Hannspree that has served me well for 5 years that i use in my back room, as my other half is quite happy with her 40" Sony and the Virgin V+ HD receiver in the front room = so i may as well go 4k but one thing bothers me with the VU 4k as it only accepts 2.5" Hard Drives and i record a lot of programs so a 1TB is not going to last long before it gets full with 4k recordings :eek: :confused:
a 1TB is not going to last long before it gets full with 4k recordings
there are also 2tb drives out there... but still: i would prefer the duo2 form factor as well.
i plan to buy from amazon.de... apply for a visa card, get a 50€ discount for the deal, and then cancel the visa again.
499€ plus dual-dvbs2-tuner plus disk is kind of a financial challenge for such a box. :-)
Yep, hadn't thought of that one, probably worth doing the visa, but for the VU+, not so sure ... but at 499Euro perhaps they give away the 4K television as well :D
DaMacFunkin
15-10-15, 17:06
Don't forget the 4k stuff will be in H265 so it won't be 4x the recording size of H264, probably more like 2x the recording size so 1tb will still hold quite a few, although I plan on a 2TB myself, my local PC shop has them for less than £70 :eek:
For the record guys, don't expect to see OpenViX or OpenATV or any other OE-A team image ready for release of the 4k, none of us have been given any info, samples etc..
E2 will need changes for the new cpu they're using. Its not going to be some quick image build. From what we understand apart from the new type tuners, still old xmbc plugin, no info on transcoding, no wol, only new webkit for hbbtv which is rarely using in the UK.
Anyway, please don't expect Openvix for a while.
I for one am not rushing into 4K of anything brings back memory's of how good 3D would have been bought one for football etc now it seems to have gone (patience I believe )
If VU+ really knew their marketing, they would get all the main images prepared and ready to go.... And just kill the competition.
...... But like their driver track record hit and miss.... Apart from early takers and those on this forum that think VU+ make the best remote ever ( :) ) .. Not sure about the takeup.:)
Andy_Hazza
15-10-15, 17:58
If VU+ really knew their marketing, they would get all the main images prepared and ready to go.... And just kill the competition.
...... But like their driver track record hit and miss.... Apart from early takers and those on this forum that think VU+ make the best remote ever ( :) ) .. Not sure about the takeup.:)
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Rob van der Does
15-10-15, 18:04
,...only new webkit for hbbtv which is rarely using in the UK.
The world is a bit larger then the UK; in many countries HbbTV is very important.
The world is a bit larger then the UK; in many countries HbbTV is very important.
I was just pointing out for the UK.
is there any info about the new webkit? will it support drm streams?
Rob van der Does
15-10-15, 21:23
Very unlikely. Open Source receivers and restrictions don't match. Same for HDCP.
Very unlikely. Open Source receivers and restrictions don't match. Same for HDCP.
yes, you are probably right... too bad.
DaMacFunkin
16-10-15, 07:55
That is strange mag have just announced a new iptv 4k box with hdcp 2.2 and I'm sure they have custom firmware options available.
Rob van der Does
16-10-15, 08:05
And using a custom firmware the HDCP will not be available; I'm pretty sure about that.
world-of-satellite.co.uk
21-10-15, 17:57
Pre-orders now being taken http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Digital-Satellite-Receivers/Vu/VU-Plus-Solo-4K
hmmmmmmm
off to buy a 4k tv :) hahaha
hmmmmmmm
off to buy a 4k tv :) hahaha
Don't forget to create a 4k skin :D
Hmm, tempted too, just got myself a 4k OLED.
What is the criteria for ViX to support this box ?
Hmm, tempted too, just got myself a 4k OLED.
What is the criteria for ViX to support this box ?
Too early to say when and if an image will be ready, E2 may need changes due to the ARM CPU, too early to post anything 100%.
i will defiantly get one but not until their is a Vix image for it, i was thinking of getting a 4k tv this weekend but i am in no rush for the time being
Too early to say when and if an image will be ready, E2 may need changes due to the ARM CPU, too early to post anything 100%.
I guess not much different from Wetek?
DaMacFunkin
21-10-15, 20:47
It has been officially announced on VU+ web site and they list installed OS as 'Advanced Linux'.
DaMacFunkin
21-10-15, 20:52
Pre-orders now being taken http://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/Digital-Satellite-Receivers/Vu/VU-Plus-Solo-4K
Any early order discounts, nudge nudge wink wink.
I have seen the vu+solo 4k can be pre ordered from a seller in Germany for estimated delivery 25th October for 499 euros...around £380 ish..wow expensive.
i havnt seen a 4k picture to judge how much better it is than HD as i havnt a 4K tv but i dont see the point in buying either a tv or reciever as there is bugger all to watch at the minute in ultra HD or am i missing something?
The awful english used on WOS website describing the 4K box is similar to the Nigerian emails I often receive.
The awful english used on WOS website describing the 4K box is similar to the Nigerian emails I often receive.
It's the exact vu+ description.
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world-of-satellite.co.uk
21-10-15, 22:47
The awful english used on WOS website describing the 4K box is similar to the Nigerian emails I often receive.
Apologies, description was hastily copy and pasted from VU+ late this afternoon http://www.vuplus.com/sub/sub0113.php , now edited as did not make any sense.
world-of-satellite.co.uk
21-10-15, 22:50
Any early order discounts, nudge nudge wink wink.
Sorry not able to offer any discounts right now, at the moment its unclear how limited the stock is going to be.
world-of-satellite.co.uk
21-10-15, 22:51
I have seen the vu+solo 4k can be pre ordered from a seller in Germany for estimated delivery 25th October for 499 euros...around £380 ish..wow expensive.
The would be excluding shipping to UK.
DaMacFunkin
22-10-15, 19:51
To add to this I am defo going to buy the Solo 4k with dual dvbc/t2 tuner, all of Europe seems to be offering this for €568 delivery ranges from €7 to €15 - should ordering from Europe bother me, well yes if anything goes wrong, but -a m a z o n d e- are taking pre-orders themselves and at €580 (£420 according to latest Google) on a 2-3 delivery it's got to be worth it, I've returned items to them no probs before. Yes I'd love to support the sponsor, I've bought boxes, remotes and stuff from them before but £50 is £50.
Well that's your right but I've ordered from sponsor with the peace of mind that he would be on the end of a phone line in English which is worth a tad extra in my book.
What are you going to watch on these boxes ? I assume it upscales current channels, does that make it worth having ?
What are you going to watch on these boxes ? I assume it upscales current channels, does that make it worth having ?
Can someone tell me how many channels will be in 4k UHD anyway :confused:
Rob van der Does
23-10-15, 03:36
atm there are only one or two demo services. And I can't see any important number of 4K services in the near future. Remember how long it took for many services to go HD (and even wide screen :) ).
For the time being the importance of any 4K box is in the ability to handle the h265 codec. Even now there are already quite a number of movies/streams available in h265.
This is going the same way as it did with MPEG4: it's not only being used for HD, but for SD and streams as well.
Te first test: 45321
DaMacFunkin
23-10-15, 08:02
Yes although there are not any 4k channels in the UK, the big plus for me at the moment as the owner of a 4k set is it will upscale all to one resolution, regardless of how good stuff is supposed to be I have noticed my Samsung top of the range set has a bug with 1080i pal content, lots of people have noticed it, samsung refuse to accept it exists, also more and more media and streams are now in the HEVC format.
Ps expect the BBC to have 4k trial broadcasts next year.
Yes although there are not any 4k channels in the UK, the big plus for me at the moment as the owner of a 4k set is it will upscale all to one resolution, regardless of how good stuff is supposed to be I have noticed my Samsung top of the range set has a bug with 1080i pal content, lots of people have noticed it, samsung refuse to accept it exists, also more and more media and streams are now in the HEVC format.
Ps expect the BBC to have 4k trial broadcasts next year.
What will it upscale to ?
What will it upscale to ?
Your telly..
Yeah just like 3d from 2d biggest waste of money since sliced bread. I will give it a few years and see . The reviews I have read does not inspire me. :whistle:
Andy_Hazza
23-10-15, 11:13
I have an LG OLED 4K TV and it is an awesome picture. Even the standard def picture looks superb. I use Netflix and Amazon Prime and the 4K content I have watched is truly stunning. 4K is the future. Standard def channels will slowly get replaced by HD and 4K will be what HD is now. Streaming is the future too imo.
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I have an LG OLED 4K TV and it is an awesome picture. Even the standard def picture looks superb. I use Netflix and Amazon Prime and the 4K content I have watched is truly stunning. 4K is the future. Standard def channels will slowly get replaced by HD 4K will be what HD is now. Streaming is the future too imo.
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Let's look at the bigger picture Andy company's will now only invest in something that will sell world wide IMO to most people who can afford it they got there fingers burnt with 3d etc and the reviews are saying too expensive for most people.
Which OLED telly u got Andy, looking to get 4K myself as netflix doing 4k.
I don't share the view 4k will go the same as 3d. I think like HD it will prosper but adoption may not be as quick as we want it to be but than if sales of 4k sets continue to increase more broadcasters will move across
Let's look at the bigger picture Andy company's will now only invest in something that will sell world wide IMO to most people who can afford it they got there fingers burnt with 3d etc and the reviews are saying too expensive for most people.
I'm sure i've read somewhere (can't remember where exactly) that the sales of 4k tv's already has well surpassed what they expected in the time frame.
Consumers have already proved there is a demand for UHD, which is not something that happened with 3D (that was the manufacturers trying to ram it down our throats).
I have an LG OLED 4K TV and it is an awesome picture. Even the standard def picture looks superb. I use Netflix and Amazon Prime and the 4K content I have watched is truly stunning. 4K is the future. Standard def channels will slowly get replaced by HD and 4K will be what HD is now. Streaming is the future too imo.
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Slowly is the word to concentrate on here, after all it took some 7 to 10 years for HD to become the norm after its initial launch and even now there is only a small percentage of channels actually in HD and a good proportion of HD channels can hardly even be called HD due to bandwidth restrictions.
Don't expect 4K broadcasts to become the norm until at least 2020 and by then your new super expensive 4K TV will be worth a faction of what it is now.
Rob van der Does
23-10-15, 12:15
4K is the future.
Nope: the first 8K devices have been launched :)
Nope: the first 8K devices have been launched :)
exactly, by the time 4k becomes the norm in Europe 16k would have been launched, the Japanese are already using 8k devices never mind 4k.
Andy_Hazza
23-10-15, 12:45
Which OLED telly u got Andy, looking to get 4K myself as netflix doing 4k.
I don't share the view 4k will go the same as 3d. I think like HD it will prosper but adoption may not be as quick as we want it to be but than if sales of 4k sets continue to increase more broadcasters will move across
I have the 55" LG OLED 4K Stanman. Model is LG 55EG960V Curved OLED. Absolutely stunning TV and picture quality is out this world mate.
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DaMacFunkin
23-10-15, 12:46
I have an LG OLED 4K TV and it is an awesome picture. Even the standard def picture looks superb. I use Netflix and Amazon Prime and the 4K content I have watched is truly stunning. 4K is the future. Standard def channels will slowly get replaced by HD and 4K will be what HD is now. Streaming is the future too imo.
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Yeah everybody thinks my TV is stunning, I have individually calibrated every input and mode with night and day settings including 3d, yes I have s very expensive colorimeter with professional software and I am very active on lots of home cinema forums so I know the specs and problems with most current sets, my problem is I see everything, just like I can find faults with my reference award winning set I can with 4k oleds too, their problems are well documented - ps stay away from HDR material, it will Dull the pixels on your oled by over 10% in no time at all, it's a real problem going forward for LG.
Don't take away the fact that they need to come out with something that 95% of people can afford and get what they pay for without paying Netflix ,sky and any other provider to view 4k . So until prices drop and you get what you pay for it's a no from me.
Rob van der Does
23-10-15, 14:50
What will it upscale to ?
To 2160p, that's '4k'.
Yes although there are not any 4k channels in the UK, the big plus for me at the moment as the owner of a 4k set is it will upscale all to one resolution, regardless of how good stuff is supposed to be I have noticed my Samsung top of the range set has a bug with 1080i pal content, lots of people have noticed it, samsung refuse to accept it exists, also more and more media and streams are now in the HEVC format.
Ps expect the BBC to have 4k trial broadcasts next year.
Which Samsung do you have my brother has a Samsung ue55hu7500 which he is selling due to moving abroad just wondered if this model was ok
Yeah everybody thinks my TV is stunning, I have individually calibrated every input and mode with night and day settings including 3d, yes I have s very expensive colorimeter with professional software and I am very active on lots of home cinema forums so I know the specs and problems with most current sets, my problem is I see everything, just like I can find faults with my reference award winning set I can with 4k oleds too, their problems are well documented - ps stay away from HDR material, it will Dull the pixels on your oled by over 10% in no time at all, it's a real problem going forward for LG.
But really they are currently the only people that can make a decent screen. "If" I was to go out today to buy a TV to replace my plasma, I would probably take a gamble on the Panasonic versions (that use the LG technology) but use their software to control the screens output.... they just have more experience of what a reference TV needs.
.... the 95% will buy the Samsung's of this world. :)
To 2160p, that's '4k'.
Thanks - so that means with a 4k box/tv watching a 1080p film it should look 'twice' as good ?
Thanks - so that means with a 4k box/tv watching a 1080p film it should look 'twice' as good ?
it's equivalent to watching a 540p film on a 1080p tv. :D
Andy_Hazza
23-10-15, 18:55
4K has 4x more pixels than 1080p. Picture is stunning.
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4K has 4x more pixels than 1080p. Picture is stunning.
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Hi Andy - not sure I'm getting the answer I'm looking for (probably asking the wrong question) I have a 4k TV, if I purchased a 4k box would it improve the picture quality I am already getting (1080p) and by how much ? If it does, it somewhat justifies buying one while waiting for 4k content to become available.
It's all about 20/20 vision :D
It's all about 20/20 vision :D
Havn't had that since the 70's :D
Just trying to understand why anybody would want one of these boxes - it's like buying a car before fuel was available. :confused:
Rob van der Does
23-10-15, 21:05
Thanks - so that means with a 4k box/tv watching a 1080p film it should look 'twice' as good ?
Nope, it's just scaling. Same as SD to HD.
it's equivalent to watching a 540p film on a 1080p tv. :D
Yep, exactly.
Havn't had that since the 70's :D
Just trying to understand why anybody would want one of these boxes - it's like buying a car before fuel was available. :confused:
Putting new tyres on a old car I will wait until 2020 we should get one with all mods and cons for about £150·Think it's time to stop joking around and let the serious ones have there say :thumbsup:
Putting new tyres on a old car I will wait until 2020 we should get one with all mods and cons for about £150·Think it's time to stop joking around and let the serious ones have there say :thumbsup:
I'm not joking around Bazzer - I'm looking for someone to give me a valid reason for buying one of these so I can justify it to the wife.:D
Grow some balls and tell her straight.
I'm saying I won it in the bonus ball draw ��������
I'm not joking around Bazzer - I'm looking for someone to give me a valid reason for buying one of these so I can justify it to the wife.:D
Is there no reviews yet on Google etc I mean about the stb not the tv ?
Is there no reviews yet on Google etc I mean about the stb not the tv ?
There are not even any independent third party images available for it yes let alone any of those faked or paid for reviews on amazon etc.
There are not even any independent third party images available for it yes let alone any of those faked or paid for reviews on amazon etc.
Thanks Larry streaming in mind ie via Kodi etc do you think we will be able to obtain 4k via a Firestick or something along those lines :confused:
Thanks Larry streaming in mind ie via Kodi etc do you think we will be able to obtain 4k via a Firestick or something along those lines :confused:
Maybe with the new second gen stick or box possibly ?. A good place for all things related to fire tv to keep a eye on is
www.aftvnews.com
Thanks m8 added to my browser will keep a eye out :thumbsup:
Rob van der Does
24-10-15, 15:35
I'm not joking around Bazzer - I'm looking for someone to give me a valid reason for buying one of these so I can justify it to the wife.:D
I don't think there is any valid reason at all. And that will remain so for quite some time.
DaMacFunkin
24-10-15, 18:43
Maybe with the new second gen stick or box possibly ?. A good place for all things related to fire tv to keep a eye on is
www.aftvnews.com
The fire TV 4k is about as much use as tits on fish for anybody interested in movies, it still doesn't do 1080p24 and it won't support HDR which Amazon on my TV does....
Yeah everybody thinks my TV is stunning, I have individually calibrated every input and mode with night and day settings including 3d, yes I have s very expensive colorimeter with professional software and I am very active on lots of home cinema forums so I know the specs and problems with most current sets, my problem is I see everything, just like I can find faults with my reference award winning set I can with 4k oleds too, their problems are well documented - ps stay away from HDR material, it will Dull the pixels on your oled by over 10% in no time at all, it's a real problem going forward for LG.
Have you done much with the Panasonic CX800 models ?
vti image is already available for the 4k :-)
Rob van der Does
24-10-15, 19:55
vti image is already available for the 4k :-)
LOL... VTi has an easy job; it's VU's original image + some plugins.
vti image is already available for the 4k :-)
Which is great but no point being the first to get an image out there if it is full of bugs :D
LOL... VTi has an easy job; it's VU's original image + some plugins.
i know... was just teasing... :-)
As I've ordered a 4k and while waiting for vix ,what can I expect from the factory image regarding plugins ect.
As I've ordered a 4k and while waiting for vix ,what can I expect from the factory image regarding plugins ect.
Ask VU or the people that supplied the box.... Its a bit late to buy something and then ask what comes with it ...:)
As I've ordered a 4k and while waiting for vix ,what can I expect from the factory image regarding plugins ect.
Not alot, it's very basic
Andy_Hazza
26-10-15, 07:14
Yeah I agree. The Vu+ default image is horrid. We have all been spoilt by the various images available to us.
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As I've ordered a 4k and while waiting for vix ,what can I expect from the factory image regarding plugins ect.
You could be waiting a long time. We've no idea what E2 changes are needed.
Rob van der Does
26-10-15, 07:49
You could be waiting a long time. We've no idea what E2 changes are needed.
Well, we can say that with some nuance: we do know that, see
http://code.vuplus.com/gitweb/?p=vuplus_openvuplus_3.0;a=commit;h=5e5582814a4d47 2b1e93907e76be151ad16b1786
But as VU made one huge heap of changes it's virtually impossible to entangle the individual changes. And on top of that we have no hardware to test.
So yes: can be a very long wait indeed.
i've read a few reviews from guys who already have a box. it sounds like the solo 4k is only equivalent to a duo2 in terms of boot time, zap time (with conventional sat equipment), etc.
some say that picture quality is better for hd channels but that is very subjective.
so...
Hi,
zap time is mostly influenced by scrambled not scrambled. With FTA it should be a bit faster.
ciao
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 14:09
i've read a few reviews from guys who already have a box. it sounds like the solo 4k is only equivalent to a duo2 in terms of boot time, zap time (with conventional sat equipment), etc.
some say that picture quality is better for hd channels but that is very subjective.
so...
So who are these people that actually have the boxes, there are no suppliers that currently have them for dispatch, most people expect them to land from the European suppliers tomorrow, only one or two people have had review copies and they are VU+ luvvies.
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 14:13
Well, we can say that with some nuance: we do know that, see
http://code.vuplus.com/gitweb/?p=vuplus_openvuplus_3.0;a=commit;h=5e5582814a4d47 2b1e93907e76be151ad16b1786
But as VU made one huge heap of changes it's virtually impossible to entangle the individual changes. And on top of that we have no hardware to test.
So yes: can be a very long wait indeed.
Erm that looks like it might need its own image from top to bottom....
As to answer the previous question about plug in support out of the box I would imagine most plug ins would need rewriting to support the Arm architecture rather than Mipsel.
I've been told that the Solo4K will not work in 4K mode with early generation 4K Tv's. TV's need to have hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2. No idea if it will work with new hdmi 2.0a.
It the 4K TV doesn't have the above hdmi, it would only work using 1080p.
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 14:28
I'm covered all 4 of my HDMI ports are HDMI 2.0 with hdcp 2.2 on all ports, samsung have announced that they will upgrade them to 2.0a via firmware upgrade when devices that require 'a' are ready for launch, ie 4k blu-ray. There are a lot of 4k TVs that don't have hdcp 2.2 it can't be added by firmware it is a hardware requirement, last year Sony physically upgraded some consumer sets to HDCP 2.2 to work with their 4k movie server but this was only done on a as needed basis.
BT UHD and Amazon 4k from fire TV will only work in 1080p for sets with no hdcp 2.2 also.
Please check your 4k sets before ordering 4k hardware, all are not created equal.
So who are these people that actually have the boxes, there are no suppliers that currently have them for dispatch, most people expect them to land from the European suppliers tomorrow, only one or two people have had review copies and they are VU+ luvvies.
in germany the boxes started to ship last week.
So who are these people that actually have the boxes, there are no suppliers that currently have them for dispatch, most people expect them to land from the European suppliers tomorrow, only one or two people have had review copies and they are VU+ luvvies.
There are 2 people on this very thread that have them
http://4k.com/news/hdcp-causes-problems-for-4k-content-delivery-to-consumers-6044/"]http://4k.com/news/hdcp-causes-problems-for-4k-content-delivery-to-consumers-6044/
Interesting article to explain things a little.
Can someone code that address thanks.
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 19:33
in germany the boxes started to ship last week.
They didn't...
I've been in contact with 6 Satellite shops in Germany, every single one of them claiming to have stock but none have actually had any, they only have a confirmed amount of units coming their way, no retailer will begin shipping them till tomorrow, i've been on to 2 shops in the Netherlands and another in the Czech Republic, they all say the same thing which is:
They had confirmed to them on Saturday how many initial units they would be receiving, and that they would be shipping out from the European suppliers on the 25th, A lot of retailers where stating they would then have them in on the 26th, this was never going to be possible because the 25th is a sunday, everybody is expecting tomorrow to be the earliest retailers receive them to start shipping them out, given the logistics of it most retailers wont get them till wednesday or thursday.
I bet there isn't 2 people on this thread who can provide a picture of their solo4k and a receipt dated from last week, or any receipt at all anybody who has had their hands on one are very lucky reviewers.
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 19:45
http://4k.com/news/hdcp-causes-problems-for-4k-content-delivery-to-consumers-6044/"]http://4k.com/news/hdcp-causes-problems-for-4k-content-delivery-to-consumers-6044/
Interesting article to explain things a little.
Can someone code that address thanks.
Where it is getting really murky is there is a real possibility that even if your TV is HDCP 2.2 compatible if you buy a 4k blu-ray player you may be limited to Dolby Digital via optical output unless your amp is hdcp 2.2 as well, in the mpast most top end blu-ray players had dual HDMI output, 1 for your set where the HDCP handshake would take place then another that could connect to your hdmi amp regardless of it's hdcp capabillities, this also give you premium TV and Audio signal quality over 2 connections. But it seems that hdcp2.2 will stop that, Recently Panasonic demo'd their UHD blu-ray player but wouldn't let anybody see the back of it and wouldn't answer the question of how many HDMI outputs it had which seems to confirm the rumours.
So to sumarise if you plugged your one HDMI output from your 4k blu-ray into your non HDCP 2.2 compliant 4k compatible amp to get HD audio, you would only then get 1080p from the amp to your TV even if the TV was hdcp 2.2.
To make it even Murkier some Onkyo amps have HDCP 2.2 compliant HDMI ports on their receivers but can't achieve the full HDMI bandwidth required for HDMI 2.0 (18 Gbps). (Help)...
DaMacFunkin
26-10-15, 19:48
Well, we can say that with some nuance: we do know that, see
http://code.vuplus.com/gitweb/?p=vuplus_openvuplus_3.0;a=commit;h=5e5582814a4d47 2b1e93907e76be151ad16b1786
But as VU made one huge heap of changes it's virtually impossible to entangle the individual changes. And on top of that we have no hardware to test.
So yes: can be a very long wait indeed.
Ive downloaded the Solo4k image from the VU+ website and had a poke about, it seems to ship with XBMC included and it all looks pretty much like Enigma 2, except there is no Enigma2 folder in /etc
?
I have been looking to buy a 4K telly but held off for things to get standardised but it is very tempting, the PQ is on another level. This box is def on my list[emoji4] [emoji4]
They didn't...
I've been in contact with 6 Satellite shops in Germany, every single one of them claiming to have stock but none have actually had any, they only have a confirmed amount of units coming their way, no retailer will begin shipping them till tomorrow, i've been on to 2 shops in the Netherlands and another in the Czech Republic, they all say the same thing which is:
They had confirmed to them on Saturday how many initial units they would be receiving, and that they would be shipping out from the European suppliers on the 25th, A lot of retailers where stating they would then have them in on the 26th, this was never going to be possible because the 25th is a sunday, everybody is expecting tomorrow to be the earliest retailers receive them to start shipping them out, given the logistics of it most retailers wont get them till wednesday or thursday.
I bet there isn't 2 people on this thread who can provide a picture of their solo4k and a receipt dated from last week, or any receipt at all anybody who has had their hands on one are very lucky reviewers.
i'm referring to this thread http://www.vuplus-support.org/wbb3/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=85987 where the first people claim that they received their boxes on the 24th.
but anyway... :-)
Well unless you have spare cash or the need for a new telly, I would still wait for 4K TV's to stabilise .. and judging by early feedback from the German WEB sites I have seen nothing that excites me about the Solo 4K.... apart from switching speeds it seems pretty mundane. :)
Well unless you have spare cash or the need for a new telly, I would still wait for 4K TV's to stabilise .. and judging by early feedback from the German WEB sites I have seen nothing that excites me about the Solo 4K.... apart from switching speeds it seems pretty mundane. :)
same here.
By the time 4K becomes more mainstream, wont this box be outdated anyway...
By the time 4K becomes more mainstream, wont this box be outdated anyway...
yes, it will. from my perspective it's more the fbc tuners, and faster arm processor that would attract me. but for the fbc tuners you need a dual-uni-cable lnb for full exploitation and only time will tell what the arm processor will bring... so...
DaMacFunkin
27-10-15, 13:53
I have been looking to buy a 4K telly but held off for things to get standardised but it is very tempting, the PQ is on another level. This box is def on my list[emoji4] [emoji4]
Yes that is the worrying thing to get future proof, the big thing at the moment is HDR and all the planned variations, Dolby vision is expected to be the more adopted standard and they recommend a TV with 1000 nits... There is currently no 4k on the UK market that can hit 1000 nits...
Having said that though all HDMI 2.0a TVs will be able to process the base layer SMPTE HDR information.
DaMacFunkin
27-10-15, 13:54
Yes then I'll shunt it upto the bedroom and get the Duo4k lol
DaMacFunkin
27-10-15, 15:18
Just had notification mine has been shipped this afternoon via DPD from Belgium, hopefully should be here by Saturday.
Rob van der Does
27-10-15, 16:03
We expect your full test-report by Sunday :D
It has taken me 12 months to get use to the Mutant never mind 4k . The only 4k I want is in my bank account. :D
DaMacFunkin
27-10-15, 17:47
I've just dismantled my Rather expensive kodi htpc and put it all on fleabay, I think I'm gonna have the Nvidia Shield TV as my kodi setup, There is no going back for me, 4k all the way.
Karl-Johan
28-10-15, 19:54
Sweeet!!! Mine is on the way, arriving tomorrow or friday. Bought from Swedish retailer. :)
DaMacFunkin
28-10-15, 21:56
I've had sms from dpd it will be delivered tomorrow, 48 hours from Belgium, can't beat that.
Only thing is I definitely won't get time to set it up till Saturday :(
DaMacFunkin
29-10-15, 21:20
So I've had a quick play but I've hit a few brick walls trying to use Vti... For the life of me I can't find any Support to auto create bouquets, I can't see laziers in the plug in list so I don't know if that works on Vti, I can't find how to install NFS package do I can't browse to my existing mounts and cross epg doesn't seem to run... Oh the things we take for granted on Vix...
Anyway I've had to put it away for the night but I did do a service scan on 28.2 and cable and watched a little bit of the Gymnastics on BBC 2 HD, all I can say is the box has done what I was hoping it would, it is outputting 1080i at 2160p50 and it is super smooth and detailed, I've been able to enable BFI on my TV for broadcast content for the first time, I can't wait to get some real 4k on it.
P.s. The outer box States the unit supports HDR so the ports are HDMI 2.0a @ 60 HDCP 2.2 with 10bit colour which is all the future proof you will need.
Rob van der Does
30-10-15, 04:38
So I've had a quick play but I've hit a few brick walls trying to use Vti... For the life of me I can't find any Support to auto create bouquets, I can't see laziers in the plug in list so I don't know if that works on Vti, I can't find how to install NFS package do I can't browse to my existing mounts and cross epg doesn't seem to run... Oh the things we take for granted on Vix.
That is correct (but NFS should be available by default).
VTi is an original VU image, with some additional plugins.
That's also the reason they can 'create' an image very quick.
my cousin got his yesterday, am thinking of going up later to check it out. he come across a few issues with the genuine image that is already on.
Gigablue Quad UHD 4K ULTRA HDTV Linux E2 Combo Receiver
just seen this on a French website saying available know, but no price.
Gigablue Quad UHD 4K ULTRA HDTV Linux E2 Combo Receiver
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Karl-Johan
30-10-15, 10:22
Can I use my current channellist from Solo2 on the 4K or do I have to set up a new one?
Can I use my current channellist from Solo2 on the 4K or do I have to set up a new one?
Any E2 box can share channel lists, that should be the least of your worries though...
Karl-Johan
30-10-15, 10:42
Any E2 box can share channel lists, that should be the least of your worries though...
That's what I thought, thanks for confirming. Gonna pick up my 4K on my way home from work today.
Gigablue Quad UHD 4K ULTRA HDTV Linux E2 Combo Receiver
just seen this on a French website saying available know, but no price. on another website is down as £399 euro
Yep, a few different boxes should start coming fast and furious now just in time for Xmas:)
Be interesting to see what images they run with.
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 13:36
That is correct (but NFS should be available by default).
VTi is an original VU image, with some additional plugins.
That's also the reason they can 'create' an image very quick.
I couldn't get it to see my Duo2 and Solo2 mount?
I also couldn't telnet into the box or find any settings for it in the image.
If there isn't a auto bouquets plug in for VTI is there a channel settings editor that doesn't change ABM generated bouquets (keeps hidden slots hidden and correct numbering) then I could use my Duo 2 generated lists for now.
Rob van der Does
30-10-15, 17:02
1- Mounts should work. Do the serverboxes (your DUO2 & Solo2) have NFS installed?
2- Maybe VTi has a password set? As far as I can remember that's not the case but I can't thin of another reason.
3- I can't tell you. I never use settings lists, I make my own. So I have no idea what VTi has in that area.
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 19:09
Ok so I've got NFS wotking, you have to manually install the IP then click Nfs scan, it doesn't automatically show up on network browser like in VIX.
I've got telnet running, my fault had my setting a ssh.
Lists? It has nothing, it is shocking, I've tried installing the ipk for ABM and it doesn't work, I've tried the ipk for Lrasiers, there are no channel lists to download from their feeds..,
I've dumped my bouquets from my duo2 and loaded them into the solo4k with DBE and as I thought it shows all the blank spaces and hidden markers...
The cable channels worked but my sky UK sat channels wouldn't, VTI doesn't seem to like my lamedb or sat xml from ABM..,
As I said, shocking, VTI is so unfunctionable I could cry, all I want is to have my channels on so I can watch some TV.
Can any body help with VTI bouquet lists, I've asked in their forum but I think my English might go against me.
Have you unpacked the IPK and tried a manual install ?
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Ok so I've got NFS wotking, you have to manually install the IP then click Nfs scan, it doesn't automatically show up on network browser like in VIX.
I've got telnet running, my fault had my setting a ssh.
Lists? It has nothing, it is shocking, I've tried installing the ipk for ABM and it doesn't work, I've tried the ipk for Lrasiers, there are no channel lists to download from their feeds..,
I've dumped my bouquets from my duo2 and loaded them into the solo4k with DBE and as I thought it shows all the blank spaces and hidden markers...
The cable channels worked but my sky UK sat channels wouldn't, VTI doesn't seem to like my lamedb or sat xml from ABM..,
As I said, shocking, VTI is so unfunctionable I could cry, all I want is to have my channels on so I can watch some TV.
Can any body help with VTI bouquet lists, I've asked in their forum but I think my English might go against me.
Out of curiosity (because I always have issues with DBE) try using echanneliser to read from duo2 and immdiately write back to the 4k.
Had a quick look at their forum .......just a few issues that should keep them busy for the next 6 months!
Ok so I've got NFS wotking, you have to manually install the IP then click Nfs scan, it doesn't automatically show up on network browser like in VIX.
I've got telnet running, my fault had my setting a ssh.
Lists? It has nothing, it is shocking, I've tried installing the ipk for ABM and it doesn't work, I've tried the ipk for Lrasiers, there are no channel lists to download from their feeds..,
I've dumped my bouquets from my duo2 and loaded them into the solo4k with DBE and as I thought it shows all the blank spaces and hidden markers...
The cable channels worked but my sky UK sat channels wouldn't, VTI doesn't seem to like my lamedb or sat xml from ABM..,
As I said, shocking, VTI is so unfunctionable I could cry, all I want is to have my channels on so I can watch some TV.
Can any body help with VTI bouquet lists, I've asked in their forum but I think my English might go against me.
Just tested and you are right AB does not run even if you select it to run or ARM
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 19:58
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Out of curiosity (because I always have issues with DBE) try using echanneliser to read from duo2 and immdiately write back to the 4k.
Had a quick look at their forum .......just a few issues that should keep them busy for the next 6 months!
Ive tried e channeliser and it's the same, i have found why my sat files / bouquets for 28.2 are not working on VTI.
I have noticed if i do a 28.2 service scan, the channels report as 28.4 and tune fine. So if i load a pre made channel list, they are set to 28.2.
This is wrong, how do i correct this?
p.s. i can get echanneliser to read from duo2, i can get it to read from solo4k, but i can't get it to write back to solo4k it says can't connect via htttp?
I can ftp and DBE back to solo4k fine.
Pleased I cancelled my order as this would be way above my pay grade.
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 20:20
I don't know why the lamedb and satellites.xml are writing 28.4 instead of 28.2...
It is a bit above my pay grade really.
Loading a lamedb with 28.2 set as 28.2 leads to the channels not tuning.
Somebody on here will know, its just getting the right person to read it.
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 20:21
Just tested and you are right AB does not run even if you select it to run or ARM
Can you do a service scan on 28.2 and see if it scans and writes as 28.4 please.
Can you do a service scan on 28.2 and see if it scans and writes as 28.4 please.
No works fine, I am using catseye settings
I don't know why the lamedb and satellites.xml are writing 28.4 instead of 28.2...
It is a bit above my pay grade really.
Loading a lamedb with 28.2 set as 28.2 leads to the channels not tuning.
Somebody on here will know, its just getting the right person to read it.
In telnet, log into the box, and type init 4
Then ftp into the box, go to /etc/enigma2 and then open the settings file (notepad will do).
Scroll down until you find nims, and then change Astra 28.4 to 28.2 and save the file.
In telnet type reboot and then your channels will work when the box has rebooted.
DaMacFunkin
30-10-15, 20:23
are you on VTI or stock image?
are you on VTI or stock image?
Other based on stock image
Pleased I cancelled my order as this would be way above my pay grade.
Yeah don't blame you , I think we are in for a long wait I ain't spending that kind of dosh to watch just a few channels:D
I don't know why the lamedb and satellites.xml are writing 28.4 instead of 28.2...
It is a bit above my pay grade really.
Loading a lamedb with 28.2 set as 28.2 leads to the channels not tuning.
Somebody on here will know, its just getting the right person to read it.Use satellites.xml from ViX or satellites-xml.org and then all your settings from the Duo2 will work.
Rob van der Does
31-10-15, 04:51
For now your main problem seems to be that telnet & HTTP aren't working.
Does the Open WEB-IF work (type the IP-address of your box in your browser)?
If not: have a look at the WEB-IF plugin; maybe it's password protected.
Rob van der Does
31-10-15, 04:56
p.s. i can get echanneliser to read from duo2, i can get it to read from solo4k, but i can't get it to write back to solo4k it says can't connect via htttp?
The next version of EC will be able to write also without HTTP working.
DaMacFunkin
31-10-15, 06:37
Other based on stock image
Woo Mr Mysterious, don't play cards with this guy. LOL.
DaMacFunkin
31-10-15, 06:41
For now your main problem seems to be that telnet & HTTP aren't working.
Does the Open WEB-IF work (type the IP-address of your box in your browser)?
If not: have a look at the WEB-IF plugin; maybe it's password protected.
Thanks for the reply Rob, you must have missed the part where i got Telnet working, my software was set to ssh :( , as for webif, that works fine, i had already tried that.
The solo4k went back in the box last night and will continue to do so till it is in a condition where the Wife can use it without mithering me, i'm going to get it back out again in a moment and give it a good spanking.
Woo Mr Mysterious, don't play cards with this guy. LOL.
Blackhole image lol, thats the only other based on stock image ;)
DaMacFunkin
31-10-15, 07:49
In telnet, log into the box, and type init 4
Then ftp into the box, go to /etc/enigma2 and then open the settings file (notepad will do).
Scroll down until you find nims, and then change Astra 28.4 to 28.2 and save the file.
In telnet type reboot and then your channels will work when the box has rebooted.
This worked, cheers, don't know why it is writing my nim setting as 28.4?
DaMacFunkin
31-10-15, 07:52
Just as a footnote i still can't get echanneliser to write back to solo4k, it writes back to duo2 and solo2.
I can connect manually to webif, i can connect manually by telnet and ftp, i have checked webif settings on the box and it is enabled and set to port 80, i have also disabled the firewall to see if that helps but no..
This worked, cheers, don't know why it is writing my nim setting as 28.4?
iirc the same thing happens with the factory image.
Rob van der Does
31-10-15, 10:54
That will depend on the satellite position in satellites.xml
DaMacFunkin
31-10-15, 12:00
just finished a teamviewer session with Sundtek in which they have dumped all my information from my box and modified the driver install to correctly identify Solo4k as a set top box and install the correct driver, i Currently have Sundtek USB sticks working on my device. They hope to have the install package updated and available from Sundtek Control Center later today.
Now if only all technical support was that quick and easy.
This worked, cheers, don't know why it is writing my nim setting as 28.4?
German sense of humour? The current 3 UK Astra 2 satellites are spread from 28.2 -> 28.54 so I suppose 28.4 could be the weighted average based on the number of transponders per satellite and sat position? :) :)
DaMacFunkin the Guinea pig.Someone has to be the 1st to walk in fresh snow.
DaMacFunkin the Guinea pig.Someone has to be the 1st to walk in fresh snow.
By the time it's finished we will be on 8k :sweating::
Rob van der Does
31-10-15, 12:50
German sense of humour? The current 3 UK Astra 2 satellites are spread from 28.2 -> 28.54 so I suppose 28.4 could be the weighted average based on the number of transponders per satellite and sat position? :) :)
There"s only one official position, and that's 28.2E. No German can change that.
By the time it's finished we will be on 8k :sweating::
You mean '16k' :p
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