new autobouqets when all HD channel go??

[stevo88]

now that certain hd channels are dropping will there be a updated autobouqets that will only list sd channels?

[judge]

Switch to an SD region?
Also a thread topic that includes 'when all HD channel go' seems a bit of an exaggeration...

[stevo88]

i was under the impression that eventually only sd will be available

[Sicilian]

You forget theres a number of Free to Air HD channels.

[stevo88]

yeah true, i was just thinking/hoping vix would create a bouquets that replace all the lost hd channels with sd version rather than having lots of blank channels on the channel list?

[Larry-G]

as has already been said just select the SD regions in you'r providers list when setting up ABM, there is no need for any changes, it's already rite there in the image.

[Rob van der Does]

And apart from that the whole idea of ABM is to have a Skybox-like setup, so we're not making any changes.

[seame]

yeah true, i was just thinking/hoping vix would create a bouquets that replace all the lost hd channels with sd version rather than having lots of blank channels on the channel list?

Use DBedit and create one yourself

[josh_g]

as has already been said just select the SD regions in you'r providers list when setting up ABM, there is no need for any changes, it's already rite there in the image.

that what i have done, changed my region to London SD from ABM and now only have SD channels with sky numbering :thumbsup:

[Rob van der Does]

A very good option is to let ABM create it's bouquets at the bottom (they will be up-to-date on every run) and use a settingseditor to create your own bouquets which you place on top.

[garyblas]

How you do this. Not seen in options


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[judge]

How you do this. Not seen in options


You can create a favourites or any other named bouquet with up to 100 channels in it, use it as a first bouquet & still keep sky numbering & bouquets updated daily by ABM.

[garyblas]

Ok a while since done it. Did not know you can put own favourite 1st. Is this in options?


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[salah100]

You can create a favourites or any other named bouquet with up to 100 channels in it, use it as a first bouquet & still keep sky numbering & bouquets updated daily by ABM.

How is this set up please?

[Ant1942]

You can create a favourites or any other named bouquet with up to 100 channels in it, use it as a first bouquet & still keep sky numbering & bouquets updated daily by ABM.

Still struggling with this......
I've got 26 in Favourites (TV) and arranged for them to be at the top.
They are now numbered 1 to 26
If I look in Entertainment Bouquet, which starts with my Local BBC1 and then BBC2, these start
at 127 and NOT 101 as they do when Favourites Bouquet is placed below the generated bouquets.
I've tried this with and without FreeSat(UK) enabled in ABM Providers and rescanned both
ABM and CrossEPG but Local BBC1 is always at 127.

Does something else need to be set/unset?

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[judge]

Use: generate main bouquet = yes (custom)
Then select your Favourites bouquet as your custom bouquet on the following line.

[Hemmingway]

Hi Guy's
Whats all the talk about disappearing HD channels why are they going?

[Larry-G]

Hi Guy's
Whats all the talk about disappearing HD channels why are they going?

There are numerous threads already about that, such as this one http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?37533-Looks-like-CS-is-being-attacked-by-Sky&highlight=discovery

[Ant1942]

All thanks go to judge but if anyone wants the ABM to give Favourites first then
all SD Bouquets with $ky numbering order then here are the settings which give that.

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[DaMacFunkin]

It would be good if fta HD channels could just be swapped...
Maybe too much of a good idea (que flaming).

[Stanman]

It would be good if fta HD channels could just be swapped...
Maybe too much of a good idea (que flaming).


You can swap them or not option is there

[diceman01]

Never say never about the HD channels :)

[thisntaht]

Sly 1 HD gone

[nsw9154]

Sly 1 HD gone

yep SLY1 HD gone as well RIP

[DaMacFunkin]

You can swap them or not option is there

You havnt understood what I said. I meant swap fta hd channels and leave premium sd as is.

[Larry-G]

You havnt understood what I said. I meant swap fta hd channels and leave premium sd as is.

No ABM is not designed to swap HD / SD channels one by one, it's all or nothing as set out by the regional data you enter when setting up ABM. you can however edit the .xml files which may give the results you need but that is more trouble than it's worth for a few channels in my opinion.

[abu baniaz]

Surely the way to do this is to select a HD region. Swap out the unavailable channels with the SD versions. This only affects bouquets though.

[DaMacFunkin]

I thought it might be as simple as adding a flag to only swap fta HD channels, pay channels are easily identifiable by their flags, which XML would I be looking at, if you mean I could edit it so abm would swap just the channels I needed I would defo look into doing that... The Mrs called me like 10 times and disturbed an important meeting to tell me Living HD was just a black screen, I've got to make it easy for her no matter how hard that makes it for me.
:argue:

[abu baniaz]

Could someone try the following. Backup your existing one first.

Extract and transfer extracted file to

/usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers/

[Alanp]

Is there an Autoboquets for cable on the horizon i heard there maybe ?

[DaMacFunkin]

i was thinking something like this if it could be entered somewhere:
replace:

sky 1 hd:
1:0:19:F15:7F1:2:11A0000:0:0:0
with sd:
1:0:1:125f:7ee:2:11a0000:0:0:0

sky living hd:
1:0:19:F1A:7D5:2:11A0000:0:0:0
with sd:
1:0:1:178C:7EE:2:11A0000:0:0:0

sky atlantic hd:
1:0:19:F0D:7F1:2:11A0000:0:0:0
with sd:
1:0:1:1268:7EE:2:11A0000:0:0:0

but i see Mr Abu has posted an xml, what do you hope this will do before i try it?

[DaMacFunkin]

Could someone try the following. Backup your existing one first.

Extract and transfer extracted file to

/usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers/
Thank you sir, works perfectly, exactly how i imagined it could.
:thumbsup:

[nsw9154]

i probably missed the plot but what was it supposed to do,I entered it and it deleted most of my channels rescanned ABM & CrossEPG and got them back :confused: what did I miss

[DaMacFunkin]

I didn't actually use the posted XML, I just found the channel swap edits he had done and pasted them into my own XML, I then rescanned abm and reloaded e2, now on all channels bouquet my HD channels are swapped except the recently disappeared ones that stay as sd.

[Andy_Hazza]

I didn't actually use the posted XML, I just found the channel swap edits he had done and pasted them into my own XML, I then rescanned abm and reloaded e2, now on all channels bouquet my HD channels are swapped except the recently disappeared ones that stay as sd.

Which 'channel swap edits' did you use? Any help would be great as I want to swap my HD channels with the SD ones. I also use ViX ABM.

Thanks

[Larry-G]

http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?37856-new-autobouqets-when-all-HD-channel-go&p=290479&viewfull=1#post290479

[judge]

A free to air HD ABM scan will be included in the next ViX release.
Mightn't be what you want now, but probably will be sooner rather than later...
For now, I'd look at the unofficial ABM scan pheonix links to above.

[andyblac]

Is there an Autoboquets for cable on the horizon i heard there maybe ?

yes, ABM will support Virgin UK in next build.

[ace5]

Thank you sir, works perfectly, exactly how i imagined it could.
:thumbsup:nothing changed for me..

[uscool]

yes, ABM will support Virgin UK in next build.

thats great , will there be a feature to combine both sat and cable bouquets together say use freesat from sat ?

[judge]

thats great , will there be a feature to combine both sat and cable bouquets together say use freesat from sat ?

I doubt it.
You'll have the option to create both, so free sat & cable, not a mismatch of both combined as that would be a nightmare to code for every possible provider/combination.

[uscool]

I doubt it.
You'll have the option to create both, so free sat & cable, not a mismatch of both combined as that would be a nightmare to code for every possible provider/combination.

Hi, yeah thats asking for too much , if have both how would the channel numbering work example if pressed 101 ?

Thanks

[judge]

Don't have cable here to test. If you set your preffered provider as your main bouquet, I'd think that one would follow official providers numbers.
Everything else would be an addon number.

[abu baniaz]

I only have a single tuner cable receiver. I suspect the numbering/ordering will be based in the order that you have your providers selected.

The Cable/DTT/Sat bouquets will be in your list of bouquets but not interfere with each other.

[andyblac]

Hi, yeah thats asking for too much , if have both how would the channel numbering work example if pressed 101 ?

Thanks

if you do not create sections, and only create main bouquets, and then enable the option for each bouquet to start at 1 (irc it is called 'Alternative numbering' in channels selection settings), then both bouquets should have correct numbering. ie both would start at 101

[Alanp]

yes, ABM will support Virgin UK in next build.

Thanks Andy thats really good news VIX just keeps getting better

[DaMacFunkin]

Which 'channel swap edits' did you use? Any help would be great as I want to swap my HD channels with the SD ones. I also use ViX ABM.

Thanks
Replace these:

<channel number="141" with="101" />
<channel number="178" with="103" />
<channel number="230" with="104" />
<channel number="171" with="105" />
</swapchannels>

With These:

<channel number="141" with="101"/>
<channel number="178" with="103"/>
<channel number="230" with="104"/>
<channel number="171" with="105"/>
<channel number="216" with="106"/>
<channel number="235" with="107"/>
<channel number="231" with="108"/>
<channel number="222" with="129"/>
<channel number="223" with="130"/>
<channel number="543" with="526"/>
<channel number="544" with="528"/>
<channel number="545" with="529"/>
<channel number="555" with="533"/>
</swapchannels>
when saved and loaded run abm, then either reload e2 or change bouquet and change back again.

[Andy_Hazza]

Replace these:

<channel number="141" with="101" />
<channel number="178" with="103" />
<channel number="230" with="104" />
<channel number="171" with="105" />
</swapchannels>

With These:

<channel number="141" with="101"/>
<channel number="178" with="103"/>
<channel number="230" with="104"/>
<channel number="171" with="105"/>
<channel number="216" with="106"/>
<channel number="235" with="107"/>
<channel number="231" with="108"/>
<channel number="222" with="129"/>
<channel number="223" with="130"/>
<channel number="543" with="526"/>
<channel number="544" with="528"/>
<channel number="545" with="529"/>
<channel number="555" with="533"/>
</swapchannels>
when saved and loaded run abm, then either reload e2 or change bouquet and change back again.

Thanks m8. What do you use to edit xml file?

[Larry-G]

Use Notepad++

[andyblac]

i really do find this all strange, why not just use SD region ????, then numbers will be swapped in sections.

[abu baniaz]

Up to last night, I thought that using an SD region will result in no HD channels.

This is not the case.

Use the SD region and also create the HD bouquet.

[Larry-G]

Up to last night, I thought that using an SD region will result in no HD channels.

This is not the case.

Use the SD region and also create the HD bouquet.

Exactly. You still have all the HD channels but the SD ones take up the premium numbers exactly as it would on a sky HD box if you did not have a HD subscription.

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[DaMacFunkin]

But I want itv HD on channel 103, if I don't have the available HD channels up the epg then the mrs won't use them because she doesn't see the difference, where if I walk in and she is watching 400 lines stretched to 576, then upscaled to 1080 on my £2000 tv it drives me nuts, arggghhh
Unless your cursed with an critical eye like me you won't know what I mean.
P.s. do NOT suggest trying to show her the different bouquets.... :smash:

[Larry-G]

But I want itv HD on channel 103,

Thats exactly what the HD Swap option is for.

[Andy_Hazza]

i really do find this all strange, why not just use SD region ????, then numbers will be swapped in sections.

Hi andyblac,

So if I select Sheffield SD as my region, you're saying Sky Premier SD will become 301, Sky Sports News SD will become 405 etc?

Thanks in advance. :D

[narsytojas]

does that mean all HD will drop one day,
and what about SD they will be next?

[Larry-G]

does that mean all HD will drop one day,
and what about SD they will be next?

Yes to both as far as any one knows.


Hi andyblac,

So if I select Sheffield SD as my region, you're saying Sky Premier SD will become 301, Sky Sports News SD will become 405 etc?

Thanks in advance. :D

Yes that's pretty much the gist of it.


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[judge]

Yes to both as far as any one knows.
Exactly, no-one outside of SKY knows, everything is still just speculation at this stage.
My own speculation would be that with SKY UK now switching off a few popular HD channels at a time, they have/are still gauging the market by the amount of customers calling in to say channels no longer work.
The faster the HD channels go blank, suggests they're catching up. First time we've had a black Tuesday today rather than a black Thursday.
So, I'd expect HD to go sooner rather than later.
I can't see SD going anytime soon though. Still way too many old multi-room SD boxes waiting to be swapped out (in Ireland, don't know about UK?) & replaced with a box that can support the new encryption method.
Just speculation on my part though...

[Larry-G]

well I would wager that all HD sports channels will be gone by the time the world cup kicks off.

[judge]

well I would wager that all HD sports channels will be gone by the time the world cup kicks off.

Yes, after kicking off a few premium HD movie channels along with one premium kids HD channel today, I'd guess a few premium sports channels soon. Narrowing down the market one step at a time...

[DaMacFunkin]

Hi andyblac,

So if I select Sheffield SD as my region, you're saying Sky Premier SD will become 301, Sky Sports News SD will become 405 etc?

Thanks in advance. :Dyes and your 101 will become sd, your 103 will become sd, your 104 will become sd...

[DaMacFunkin]

Thats exactly what the HD Swap option is for.

Your really not listening...

[Larry-G]

yes and your 101 will become sd, your 103 will become sd, your 104 will become sd...

And then you enable the HD swap option which will place the HD terrestrial channels into the premium slots of 101 to 105 even with SD set as your providers regions.

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[Andy_Hazza]

Where is the HD Swap option now? It used to be in ABM and under providers. Can't see it in there now?

[abu baniaz]

Penny has dropped. There is a filter for which regions do HD swap. Need to discuss with Andy.

[dougieduncan]

Where is the HD Swap option now? It used to be in ABM and under providers. Can't see it in there now?
just checked hd swap option is not there anymore

[Andy_Hazza]

The HD swap option is only available when you select 'Region'HD not 'Region'SD. :(

andylac, Is this something that can be implemented in the new ViX build? pppllleeeaaassseeee. ppprrreeetttyyy pppllleeeaaassseeee. :D

[andyblac]

I can't see SD going anytime soon though. Still way too many old multi-room SD boxes waiting to be swapped out (in Ireland, don't know about UK?) & replaced with a box that can support the new encryption method.
Just speculation on my part though...

thats not what a sky manager told me yesterday when i called to discuss my subscription, to cut a long sorry sort there doing tests on HD channels now moving them one by one, should all be done by end of June/July, SD will also be all off by end of year, all the white boxes can be upgraded free of charge when they start to migrate over to new system, but again you have to sign the multiroom subscription for a 12 month contract (separate to the main subscription).

i was on the phone to a sky manager discussing all sorts yesterday, i was trying to get them to reactivate me on the old system. but i was told it is not possible as it is hardware dependent. thats why the need for new boxes. in the end i cancelled my subscription.

[judge]

all the white boxes can be upgraded free of charge when they start to migrate over to new system, but again you have to sign the multiroom subscription for a 12 month contract (separate to the main subscription).

What a massive pain. Can see a lot more folks cancelling SKY subs so.

[nsw9154]

I only wish that my Virgin card would work in a Duo2 or similar with a cable Tuner fitted :(

[abu baniaz]

Guys, the work has been done already. If using Vix, you will have to wait until Apollo is released .

[Rob van der Does]

Can see a lot more folks cancelling SKY subs so.
Absolutely. But as long as the main channels, BBC1,2,3 & 4 are FTA my E2 box will be used. But if they would disappear, my complete TV/STB set will be leaving my home.

[sigpark]

The HD swap option is only available when you select 'Region'HD not 'Region'SD. :(

andylac, Is this something that can be implemented in the new ViX build? pppllleeeaaassseeee. ppprrreeetttyyy pppllleeeaaassseeee. :D

Just to add to this thread....

In my setup, I set generate Main Bouquet to "Custom Yes" in order to get 5ly numbering consistent in the sections bouquets - works well for this purpose, BUT with this set-up you lose the "SWAP HD" channels - I think because the original idea was for the "swap" to happen in the main bouquet (no longer in play with custom)?

Anyway IMHO, if you are using the above design feature for 5ly numbering consistency in the sections bouquets, I think there is good reason to think that you still would want to have "Yes / No" to Swap HD channels - especially for the "Entertainment" section.

[thisntaht]

What would need to be done to make that possible I wonder, new drivers from vu? Would it be a software or hardware issue preventing it? Any ideas?

I only wish that my Virgin card would work in a Duo2 or similar with a cable Tuner fitted :(

[Sirius]

thats not what a sky manager told me yesterday when i called to discuss my subscription, to cut a long sorry sort there doing tests on HD channels now moving them one by one, should all be done by end of June/July, SD will also be all off by end of year, all the white boxes can be upgraded free of charge when they start to migrate over to new system, but again you have to sign the multiroom subscription for a 12 month contract (separate to the main subscription).

i was on the phone to a sky manager discussing all sorts yesterday, i was trying to get them to reactivate me on the old system. but i was told it is not possible as it is hardware dependent. thats why the need for new boxes. in the end i cancelled my subscription.

So basically to get the free upgraded HD box you have to take a 12 month multiroom sub out, what a load of bull..... As if people are going to fawk out that if they do there stupid just adding more revenue to a already massive greedy company!!!

I for one will cancelling my sub once all the channels go... Just hope they last another 5 month or so until my contract runs out lol.

Dam sky and there bloody contracts!!!

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[andyblac]

So basically to get the free upgraded HD box you have to take a 12 month multiroom sub out, what a load of bull

no, to replace your main HD box with a new free HD box, you need to sign up for a 12 months contract, to replace your old white multi room box ( when the SD switch over start) with a new multi-room box, you need to sign up for a new 12 month multi-room subscription. that what i was told.

[ratattack]

The HD swap option is only available when you select 'Region'HD not 'Region'SD. :(

andylac, Is this something that can be implemented in the new ViX build? pppllleeeaaassseeee. ppprrreeetttyyy pppllleeeaaassseeee. :D

As above
Any chance this can be implemented as this would be most welcome

[DaMacFunkin]

Select HD region, Choose HD swap, run abm... then download your sat_sky_england.xml (or whatever country your in) /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/AutoBouquetsMaker/providers/
Scroll down to where you find the swap channel section, copy and paste these lines in the swap channel section:

<channel number="217" with="106"/>
<channel number="235" with="107"/>
<channel number="231" with="108"/>
<channel number="222" with="129"/>
<channel number="223" with="130"/>
<channel number="301" with="314"/>
<channel number="303" with="330"/>
<channel number="304" with="331"/>
<channel number="305" with="332"/>
<channel number="306" with="333"/>
<channel number="307" with="334"/>
<channel number="308" with="335"/>
<channel number="309" with="336"/>
<channel number="310" with="337"/>
<channel number="311" with="339"/>
<channel number="312" with="340"/>
<channel number="404" with="435"/>
<channel number="526" with="543"/>
<channel number="528" with="544"/>
<channel number="529" with="545"/>
<channel number="553" with="555"/>


Save file as all files so it keeps the .xml extension, re-upload file to previous directory...
Then run abm and refresh bouquets.

[ratattack]

thanks
i believe you have a small error in yours ,i think its to do with arts, so i went ahead with this and it works perfect.(Edit - i think yours was correct at the time you made it but channel numbers have shuffled over night)


<channel number="217" with="106"/>
<channel number="235" with="107"/>
<channel number="231" with="108"/>
<channel number="221" with="129"/>
<channel number="297" with="130"/>
<channel number="301" with="314"/>
<channel number="303" with="330"/>
<channel number="304" with="331"/>
<channel number="305" with="332"/>
<channel number="306" with="333"/>
<channel number="307" with="334"/>
<channel number="308" with="335"/>
<channel number="309" with="336"/>
<channel number="310" with="337"/>
<channel number="311" with="339"/>
<channel number="312" with="340"/>
<channel number="404" with="435"/>
<channel number="526" with="543"/>
<channel number="528" with="544"/>
<channel number="529" with="545"/>
<channel number="553" with="555"/>

[DaMacFunkin]

Cheers dude will check it.
Yeah a few have changed recently, original HD channels that wont open on soft cam in E2 post needs updating, if you see judge tell him.

[judge]

original HD channels that wont open on soft cam in E2 post needs updating, if you see judge tell him.

They were all updated yesterday, if any are off or get changed again, post up & I'll fix that thread.

[yorshh]

Do u guys keep autobouquets to run once a day ????


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[DaMacFunkin]

At the moment yes, Sky have switched so much stuff around recently making room for new channels and swapping birds it seems everyday a channel changes number or frequency.

[joetwizzy]

Have we got any update on this yet? I'm wanting the free to air HD channels showing as 101 102 103 etc but the ones that no longer work switching for the SD ones 106 etc. Since all the HD channels have gone now this should be reletively simply. anyone?

[abu baniaz]

Have we got any update on this yet? I'm wanting the free to air HD channels showing as 101 102 103 etc but the ones that no longer work switching for the SD ones 106 etc. Since all the HD channels have gone now this should be reletively simply. anyone?

See this thread
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?37698-Channels-not-available-on-E2-Custom-xml-for-28-2

[joetwizzy]

See this thread
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?37698-Channels-not-available-on-E2-Custom-xml-for-28-2

Thanks, I'm having trouble with it. The option "Sky England: swap channels" is only available when I select "Humber HD", it disappears when I select "Humber SD". The scan on Humber HD with Swap set to Yes does not do what it is supposed to.

And no "Sky England Black"

[Stanman]

You need to put the custom file in the providers list.

On ABM orginal swap is only on hd

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[joetwizzy]

You need to put the custom file in the providers list.

On ABM orginal swap is only on hd

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Cheers mate! It was me being daft. I put the custom file into my other box. No wonder it wasn't showing!