View Full Version : [VU+ Duo] Box turns on after crossepg
I have always auto shutdown my box at 2am and updated crossepg at 4am.
This has worked fine and leaves my box in standby.
I have noticed since my last build update to 655 (may of been earlier) that every morning my box is not in standby any more,, I assume this is something to do with crossepg update ?
Cant find any settings for this but definate change to past builds, anyone know why or how to ensure stays in standby?
mickyblueys
02-05-13, 13:36
I had a problem with my power timers on one of my duo's a little similar recently. I had to reflash to get them to work properly again
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Power timers working perfectly.
Have found that when crossepg updates it takes box out of standby and leaves switched on.
It never used to do this, has new build software changed this function?
Power timers working perfectly.
Have found that when crossepg updates it takes box out of standby and leaves switched on.
It never used to do this, has new build software changed this function?
As far as I can remember nothing has changed in this area for a long time. What I would do is set the time for the EPG download, then set a power timer for say 10 minutes later to go back into deepstandby.
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Rob van der Does
03-05-13, 10:59
I use Cross daily at 4.00AM (for Open-TV) for a box that is always in normal use (i.e. most of the time it will be in normal standby). This never leaves the box 'on'.
However: if Cross awakes the box from deep standby you'll need a powertimer to get the box asleep again.
Nothing has been changed in this area for ages, so no idea why you experience a different behaviour lately.
I use Cross daily at 4.00AM (for Open-TV) for a box that is always in normal use (i.e. most of the time it will be in normal standby). This never leaves the box 'on'.
However: if Cross awakes the box from deep standby you'll need a powertimer to get the box asleep again.
Nothing has been changed in this area for ages, so no idea why you experience a different behaviour lately.
Mine never used to leave on.. I only ever put box into normal standby. Will play about with power timers to see if fixes problem
Just thought would ask as never behaved like this till recent updates?
Same here too.
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Same here too.
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Has yours only started this after recent update
Yes, although I'm not to bothered about it. It could also be ABM, as mine is scheduled to scan at 1am.
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Add a swapfile to USB stick.
All of my boxes use ABM and return back into standby just fine after it's use and after CrossEPG has populated.
All of my boxes use ABM and return back into standby just fine after it's use and after CrossEPG has populated.
Like I say I'm not too bothered by it, not 1 for saving the planet. Lol.
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Like I say I'm not too bothered by it, not 1 for saving the planet. Lol.
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just as well :), irc, there no power difference between full power on and normal standby, apart from hdd not spinning.
Rob van der Does
05-05-13, 12:45
just as well :), irc, there no power difference between full power on and normal standby, apart from hdd not spinning.
And no video-and audio output, although that will not make any (measurable) difference. And, depending on the box, LNB-power can be cut off as well.
Just to throw some more wood on the fire.
Last night I slept on the sofa with my son, as he was being sick. I switched off box at 10.30pm (standby), I wake up an hour later and it's back on. I have nothing set to update/download till 1am ABM, and crossEPG 4am
Wierd huh??
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Rob van der Does
05-05-13, 19:40
Just to throw some more wood on the fire.
Last night I slept on the sofa with my son, as he was being sick. I switched off box at 10.30pm (standby), I wake up an hour later and it's back on. I have nothing set to update/download till 1am ABM, and crossEPG 4am
And do the debuglogs give any clue?
just as well :), irc, there no power difference between full power on and normal standby, apart from hdd not spinning.
Upgraded to build 658 and seems to be working again not , ie. leaving box in standby....
For info
Full Power is 65W Normal operation 30W standby 1W
Full Power is 65W Normal operation 30W standby 1W
deep standby maybe but regular standby just kills the video and audio feeds, in regular standby your receiver is still running at pretty much full power.
deep standby maybe but regular standby just kills the video and audio feeds, in regular standby your receiver is still running at pretty much full power.
Will look at deep standby, never used so dont know difference.
Rob van der Does
05-05-13, 20:42
deep standby maybe but regular standby just kills the video and audio feeds, in regular standby your receiver is still running at pretty much full power.
...and depending on the tasks (recording/streaming), maybe using HDD as well.
so deep standby kills box ? unable to record etc?
so deep standby kills box ? unable to record etc?
most receivers including the duo will wake from deep standby 5 minutes before a recording is due to take place and return back into deep standby afterwards.
Ok thanks, just tried deep sleep works ok but take about 2 mins to come back to life. Cheers
Rob van der Does
06-05-13, 06:22
Deep sleep actually can save you some money. Say the box uses an average of 20 Watt during stand by versus 0.5 Watt in deep sleep. If the box is in actual use for 4 hours a day that will save you some 400W per day. That is 26KWh a year.
Is there a way of putting box into deep sleep if for example no channel change for xx hours?
ViX has a custom made and very highly customization power timers option where you can set all kinds of timers for auto deep standby and wake up. cant say it's something that has ever really interested me but i know a lot of people use them.
ViX has a custom made and very highly customization power timers option where you can set all kinds of timers for auto deep standby and wake up. cant say it's something that has ever really interested me but i know a lot of people use them.
Found the following, is sleep delay the time setting for inactivity?
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I leave my box on standby every night [ doesn't most peeps do that with there box at night time ??] i just don't see the reason for deep standby, anyway, 99% in the morning when i come down to my box it is on... iv`e had this problem for easily 6 months, [ and im am on build 649 at the moment, and builds before also gave me this problem ] in fact i`m sure i asked this question on this site about this problem a long time ago and never got to the root problem, anyway i have sent in quite a few debug logs about this, so still waiting to see if any of the guys can see where i`m going wrong within my set-up, as i said, it`s about 99% of the time the box is on in the morning ??? so it could be something in my set-up...cheers !!
I leave my box on standby every night [ doesn't most peeps do that with there box at night time ??] i just don't see the reason for deep standby, anyway, 99% in the morning when i come down to my box it is on... iv`e had this problem for easily 6 months, [ and im am on build 649 at the moment, and builds before also gave me this problem ] in fact i`m sure i asked this question on this site about this problem a long time ago and never got to the root problem, anyway i have sent in quite a few debug logs about this, so still waiting to see if any of the guys can see where i`m going wrong within my set-up, as i said, it`s about 99% of the time the box is on in the morning ??? so it could be something in my set-up...cheers !!
for a test, try default vix image (no extra plugins) place in standby at night see what is like in the morning.
At this moment in time andy, i only have crossepg, yweb, and what comes with the image, anyway.. default image meaning [ take ALL plugin off the image i`m running at the moment ?? ]
At this moment in time andy, i only have crossepg, yweb, and what comes with the image, anyway.. default image meaning [ take ALL plugin off the image i`m running at the moment ?? ]
just flash and setup sat and crossepg, no restore, or install any plugin's.
ok m8, will get round to it, but at the moment i`ve did some tweaking to epg and this morning the box was not on ???
debug log or it's all just guessing.
debug log or it's all just guessing.
Ask any mod who deals with debug logs for this issue......they must have about 2 dozen of them m8 ???
ok m8, will get round to it, but at the moment i`ve did some tweaking to epg and this morning the box was not on ???
What box is it you have? And how many sources you importing?
My guess is it's crossepg causing the issue. I myself have it when setting too many sources to download. Sometimes on the solo it does it with only sky UK setting... however, Ultimo is usually fine with about 6 sources, but then that had more memory
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Rob van der Does
10-05-13, 07:51
What box is it you have? And how many sources you importing?
My guess is it's crossepg causing the issue. I myself have it when setting too many sources to download. Sometimes on the solo it does it with only sky UK setting... however, Ultimo is usually fine with about 6 sources, but then that had more memory
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You can very well be correct: if Cross causes a crash, Linux will restart E2 and the box will be 'on'. However: in that case a crashlog will be present, and (probably) not all EPG-data will have been populated.
just flash and setup sat and crossepg, no restore, or install any plugin's.
OK Andy, i have flashed a clean image, and downloaded crossepg only m8, so lets see how it goes over the next few days m8 [ i did put my back-up bouquets back on to the new image however ?? ]
You can very well be correct: if Cross causes a crash, Linux will restart E2 and the box will be 'on'. However: in that case a crashlog will be present, and (probably) not all EPG-data will have been populated.
Rob van der does m8, it does leave a log but not a crash log, it leaves a debug log, and they have all been sent over to be looked at over the last ccouple of months ??
Rob van der Does
10-05-13, 11:57
Rob van der does m8, it does leave a log but not a crash log,..
Then it is not a crash.
You can very well be correct: if Cross causes a crash, Linux will restart E2 and the box will be 'on'. However: in that case a crashlog will be present, and (probably) not all EPG-data will have been populated.
no... because the box dies a restart due to memory problems... there are no crash logs, just debug logs, with "killed" or something to that effect just before the end of the crash log...
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Rob van der Does
10-05-13, 14:37
no... because the box dies a restart due to memory problems... there are no crash logs, just debug logs, with "killed" or something to that effect just before the end of the crash log...
Yep, you're correct.
try with a swap, once Timeshift is done, i'll move on to CrossEpg.
try with a swap, once Timeshift is done, i'll move on to CrossEpg.
Already using a swap and that cache plugin, and sometimes still have problems with the solo ... and that only had sky UK set. But it isn't very often...
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guff daddy
11-05-13, 15:56
try with a swap, once Timeshift is done, i'll move on to CrossEpg.
Interesting - are you going to look into getting CrossEPG to do continual EPG updates via the unused tuner on a multi-tuner box? Please say yes...
Rob van der Does
11-05-13, 15:58
Interesting - are you going to look into getting CrossEPG to do continual EPG updates via the unused tuner on a multi-tuner box? Please say yes...
Not to say atm: it looks like Cross is going to have a major re-write.
Interesting - are you going to look into getting CrossEPG to do continual EPG updates via the unused tuner on a multi-tuner box? Please say yes...
Think it would be good if andy could write it to go fetch us a beer when watching footy and ran out automatically... Shame though, I don't think it's going to happen :( hehe
Think it would be good if andy could write it to go fetch us a beer when watching footy and ran out
I second this request, but would prefer it during the rugby or F1 as frankly I can't stand football.
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OK Andy, i have flashed a clean image, and downloaded crossepg only m8, so lets see how it goes over the next few days m8 [ i did put my back-up bouquets back on to the new image however ?? ]
ok, have been running my box on build665 for about a week, and the box has not been on in the morning, so i have now install plugins.... webif & skin magic-hd-night, so lets see what happens over the next few days with the 2 new plugins on the image to see if the box starts to come on in the morning !!!....cheers....
...so i have now install plugins.... webif & skin magic-hd-night
why are you installing webif? or is it for something else?
why are you installing webif? or is it for something else?
W,ell we don't now what it is that's leaving the box on, so i`m installing plugins one at a time [ yes iv`e just installed 2 ?? ] just to try and find out what it is that cause`s the box to stay on after the epg has loaded from the timer settings, ???
webif is installed by default in the image though :confused:
webif is installed by default in the image though :confused:
mmmmmmm...are we sure m8 :confused:cause openwebif is not
Rob van der Does
17-05-13, 17:58
Yes: in all ViX-images OpenWebIF is installed by default.
Yes: in all ViX-images OpenWebIF is installed by default.
ok...i`ll remove the plugin i downloaded today then, as i did not see it in the plugins, thats why i downloaded it ??
ok...i`ll remove the plugin i downloaded today then, as i did not see it in the plugins, thats why i downloaded it ??
If you go to menu -> plugins -> openwebif, you should be able to config your openwebif... As default, if you got to the local internal ip address of your box, you will see if the openwebif...
well this morning i found my box on, now up until now, everything was ok with the box not coming on in the morning, so the difference this time was,i put webif & magic-hd-night hd skin into the image, i have sent the debug log on be looked at to see if anybody can work out what is going on [ im running on build 665 ]..... but here`s the debug log anyway....cheers
ok, had box on today again, this time i removed webif from the image, so this left my own bouquets and the skin.... magic-hd-night...within the image, now i had also re-timed my crossepg to come on at a later time than my usual time, so what i have noticed, is that the box stays on after the epg has run, so i have sent the debug log to the guys in charge and here it is a well ???
Rob van der Does
22-05-13, 19:25
Why and how the remove the WEB-IF?
Pre-installed plugins can't be de-installed.
Why and how the remove the WEB-IF?
Pre-installed plugins can't be de-installed.
Well if i go into menu/plugins, all i`ve got showing in there is CrossEPG Downloader...... nothing else showing ??...... web-if was showing in the plug-ins yesterday before i removed it ??
Sorry to jump in, i reflashed my box last week and now experience issues with CrossEPG. Its not the same issue as above, my problem is that when I download crossepg it completes dl and then gets stuck at the end, the front panel says dvb service and i have to physically press 101 to get a channel up. There is no crash so no logs to send. The epg only goes as far as Fri night which coincides with 7 days since reflash. I have set up bbc one to start on boot up but as i say screen stays on boot up screen with dvd service on panel. In addition even i go inti my hdd to view recorded films etc the listings are empty for about 5 seconds vix in corner spins and then they show.
Please advise.
Rob van der Does
22-05-13, 21:12
Well if i go into menu/plugins, all i`ve got showing in there is CrossEPG Downloader...... nothing else showing ??...... web-if was showing in the plug-ins yesterday before i removed it ??
So again :
Why and how the remove the WEB-IF?
Pre-installed plugins can't be de-installed.
OK, maybe I should have said 'Pre-installed plugins can't be de-installed' without getting problems'. Of course you can make them not to work, that isn't hard to do.....
pre-installed WEB-IFwas made inactive 2 days ago, and box is still on in the morning, only plugin showing is cross-EPG....?????
Has a fix been found for this problem guys? I updated to 668 last week from 665 and my box has been on each morning. Going on jollys shortly and wouldn't want my box to be permanently on whilst i am away.
Rob van der Does
28-05-13, 08:17
No fix, as no problem has been found (and nothing has been changed in this area).
Standby or 'on' makes no difference at all, so I presume you want the box to be in deep sleep?
If you want the box to be in deep sleep after the import (and want the daily imports to continue while you're away) just set an powertimer (to deep sleep, some 15 minutes after the import time). That way you're sure about the box being switched off.
Has a fix been found for this problem guys? I updated to 668 last week from 665 and my box has been on each morning. Going on jollys shortly and wouldn't want my box to be permanently on whilst i am away.
M8, got a question for you....have you got your epg file located on a usb stick [ media/usb/ ]
Yes and since i did that i have had a few minor issues one of which is crossepg. I have put it back to hdd this morning so will see what happens in the morning.
Ok so still turning on when i wake up in the morning, so not sure how to get to the bottom of this. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to make the box go into standby after the box as been inactive for so many hours? This would solve my problem whilst I'm away
Ok so still turning on when i wake up in the morning, so not sure how to get to the bottom of this. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to make the box go into standby after the box as been inactive for so many hours? This would solve my problem whilst I'm away
Menu -> Timers -> Power Timers
Power timers didn't work for me it kept asking do i want To action standby which wouldnt work if i wasnt in front of my box to accept . I played around with the timers for abm and epg update i. E. Abm set to update at 1pm and epg update 00.30am, i am convinced that it was epg that was keppkeeping the box on because it was always on bbc 1 when i got up which it was set to. Anyway this morning the box was in standby, result! It may just be a coincidence but my thoughts were if i set abm update after epg it would put the box back to sleep (standby).
Im running build 679 on my duo and i`m still getting the box staying on after running the EPG in the morning, i`m running a bare image with the standard plugins that come within the image, now this is not all the time, but over the last week or so, ive had it sitting on twice, so ive sent the debug log onto the boys to see if they can come up with what is going on,
I am on 680 and happened to me again last night... It has been a fairly regular event.... And avreal pain withe wife if I have forgotten to turn off the amp:)
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