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bassethound
31-03-12, 08:31
Black Pole stands for: Black P(li)ole

Given the great work Pli is doing on e2 sources and openembedded, the Black Hole team have decided to accompany these images on an experimental project based on the Pli git.

General:
The Black Pole project is fully Open Source and accessible to all.
The source can be found at: https://github.com/BlackPole and on this board we will be provide the makefile, to make sure that anyone can compile the image alone, experiment with new solutions, add to and perhaps propose patches and enhancements. Only Vu plus boxes are supported.

Although the images externally "Black Hole" and "Black Pole" may seem similar, with the same structure,skin panels and, in reality the two images are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND STRUCTURALLY have a totally different target.

Features:
The image Black Pole is derived from Pli git and includes all the features from it.
- Better handling of the media with continuous work to expand the formats recognized and make an easy to use media player and movie player.
- Streaming internal server.
- Support for IPTV with the possibility to add the channels directly in IPTV Bouquet.
- Advanced management of subtitles in a large number of possible settings and customizations.
- Auto language or automatic selection of the language set as precisely as possible where there are subtitles.
- Continuous updates in real time through custom feeds directly from the vuplus community server.
- Compatibility with existing Black Hole addons.

Target:
As we all know the Black Hole images are especially oriented to being user-friendly and the most complete package with the presence of numerous panels and features that allow users to directly manage resources of the system.
The target of the Black Pole images are totally different. The Black Pole images are "essential" no frills and updated, developed exclusively to meet the criteria of speed, performance and stability.
The Black Pole images do not contain all the interior panels of BH images, but does still include all the services.
There is no multiboot support in BP and no panels for telnet or cron.
But you can still use all the services in BP such as openvpn, nfsserver etc. ..

Basically we think that the Black Pole images are more suitable for advanced users and experts who can also play around with the source and configurations.

In conclusion it is important to clarify that BH and BP are two completely different images and dedicated in a structured manner to a different target.
DO NOT ASK TO ADD INTO BH, FEATURES THAT ARE PRESENT IN BP OR VICE VERSA BECAUSE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
Apart from differences in structure the thing would go against the different nature and the target of two different projects.

Special Thanks to Pli team and expecially to pieterg Milo and hemertje for their support and for the big work they are making for all us.
Thanks to Skaman (Sif) andyblac (Vix) e plnick (Vti) for their friendly support and suggestions.

Larry-G
31-03-12, 08:45
The current crop of Black Pole images can be found here.

Uno
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?17162-Black-Pole-Vu-Uno-0-1-1
Duo
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?17160-Black-Pole-Vu-Duo-0-1-1
Solo
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?17161-Black-Pole-Vu-Solo-0-1-1
Ultimo
http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?17163-Black-Pole-Vu-Ultimo-0-1-1

Delagroov
31-03-12, 10:08
Interesting..I will give it a try on second ultimo

Raitsa
31-03-12, 10:25
Well at the moment its basically an OpenPLi image with another skin & some user interface phrases changed.

Larry-G
31-03-12, 10:27
Well at the moment its basically an OpenPLi image with another skin & some user interface phrases changed.

It's still very very early days and no doubt a lot of development will be done to update and upgrade the image as they see fit in due course.

jpschouten
31-03-12, 23:47
screenshots ? et5000 support ?

silverfox0786
01-04-12, 00:15
this is a good thing guys

now BH will have to allow merging with PLi and then inturn we can merge too and get the DTT and Wifi Drivers that Angleofsky does

seems to me a good move even though BH aint got a sence of team

judge
01-04-12, 00:23
downloaded it but not tried it yet. Can only be a good thing to have more images/teams working on our boxes...
still doubt I'd leave VIX though.

Larry-G
01-04-12, 04:26
screenshots ? et5000 support ?

no there only support Vu hardware at present.


this is a good thing guys

now BH will have to allow merging with PLi and then inturn we can merge too and get the DTT and Wifi Drivers that Angleofsky does

seems to me a good move even though BH aint got a sence of team

yes this image is completely open source however you have to remember this is a side project for them as BH is their main concern.

rossi2000
02-04-12, 16:20
looks interesting, might try a build later

although as someone said earlier, having looked at the source, id say its quite abit more than just an openpli image with another skin etc.
theyve done quite abit of work in there.

head44
05-04-12, 16:05
thanks!
support for ET9x00?

Larry-G
05-04-12, 16:08
thanks!
support for ET9x00?


The BlackHole team do not support any hardware other than the Vu line of receivers, and seeing as BP is a BlackHole project i cant see that changing any time soon.

GAH2402
06-04-12, 17:35
Hi Guys,

Have given the Black Pole image a quick try-out. Great picture quality and very impressed. However, I won't be sticking with it for now as it would NOT mount my HDD properly. I initialized it and set it to Ext4 using Black Pole, but I when I used the mount manager to set the mount points for my HDD and USB, the box would ask for a re-start as normal but it didn't save the mountpoints. It also wrongly displayed the free space on my HDD, but that could be down to the mount issue. Secondly there is no built-in plugin or extension for backing up a complete image.

Hopefully the next version will address these issues, as I was very impressed apart from the points I mentioned.

GAH

OldSkulRide
07-04-12, 16:08
In my humble opinion BH users do not fully appreciate OpenPLi advantages over original VU+ and Dreambox enigma.

harryoz
07-04-12, 20:37
Give it 6 months and it will be every good as BlackHole but with OpenPli

Rob van der Does
08-04-12, 06:47
Have given the Black Pole image a quick try-out. Great picture quality.......
Funny you mention that, as no image has any influence on that. Only the drivers do, and all images use the same.

Larry-G
08-04-12, 06:57
Funny you mention that, as no image has any influence on that. Only the drivers do, and all images use the same.

LMAO correct, they even said as much on the BH forum but no matter how many times you tell people the MYTH still exists that certain images have better picture quality over others.

Sicilian
08-04-12, 07:39
LMAO correct, they even said as much on the BH forum but no matter how many times you tell people the MYTH still exists that certain images have better picture quality over others.

Spec savers comes to mind :p

Ev0
08-04-12, 12:15
Placebo effect kicks in again :D

GAH2402
08-04-12, 18:29
Hi Guys,

Since it was my post that you all such a laugh, let me ask a question. If I came from an image using a Limux 2 kernel, would I NOT see a difference in picture quality if I switched to Black Pole, which obviously uses the Linux 3 kernel?

GAH

Larry-G
09-04-12, 11:43
Hi Guys,

Since it was my post that you all such a laugh, let me ask a question. If I came from an image using a Limux 2 kernel, would I NOT see a difference in picture quality if I switched to Black Pole, which obviously uses the Linux 3 kernel?

GAH

The only way your going to know which image best suits you and your setup is by trying them, and with the ability to fully backup a image so that you can return to it you have absolutely nothing to loose by doing so.

GAH2402
09-04-12, 13:21
Hi Pheonix,

Thanks for the reply.

However, my point was that I assume I SHOULD see a difference in picture quality if I switched from an Enigma 2 image to an Enigma 3 image. I obviously feel I did, hence my original post, which none of the comics on here took account of before they started to ridicule my post:p!


GAH

Larry-G
09-04-12, 13:24
they both use different driver sets so it is possible that something has changed between the drivers used in the previous kernel images and the current ones used now, affecting picture quality.

GAH2402
09-04-12, 14:42
Hi Pheonix,

Thanks for the reply.

Went back to using latest VIX image, but will be trying latest Black Pole again later today!

GAH

Larry-G
09-04-12, 14:49
Hi Pheonix,

Thanks for the reply.

Went back to using latest VIX image, but will be trying latest Black Pole again later today!

GAH

What ever rocks your boat dude, find a image your happy with and go with that. no one here will ever force you to use a image your not comfortable with, after all it's your receiver and it's down to you what goes onto it.

GAH2402
09-04-12, 16:34
Hi Pheonix,

One thing I didn't mention was that I only recently upgraded from a (genuine) DM800 to my Vu+ Duo. I havcen't settled on any image yet, still trying out as many as possible. However, I did think the HD pic on my DM800 as great, but I'm pretty sure the Vu+ Duo picture is definitey better!

GAH

Larry-G
09-04-12, 16:47
Hi Pheonix,

One thing I didn't mention was that I only recently upgraded from a (genuine) DM800 to my Vu+ Duo. I havcen't settled on any image yet, still trying out as many as possible. However, I did think the HD pic on my DM800 as great, but I'm pretty sure the Vu+ Duo picture is definitey better!

GAH

I'm glad you like the duo which in my opinion puts almost all DMs to shame. And yes I have read a good deal of your posts on another forum where I'm known as RD. Any hoo you will eventually hit on a image your happy with, after all there are loads to choose from.

GAH2402
09-04-12, 17:13
Hi Pheonix,

Thanks for the reply.

Pretty sure I know which forum you refer to and I think I've read some of your posts too! Anyhow, as you say I will eventually settle on an image that suits me. I do like VIX but I'm having a few issues with the latest version, but that's part and parcel of having a Linux box. Lucky for me my wife isn't interested in watchung anything on the box, so it's not the end of the world if it crashes. As I said, I'll keep trying images until I'm happy, but I'm definitely happy with the Vu+ Duo in general.

GAH

captain jack
25-07-12, 15:26
Hey guys,

Is Black Pole (sounds like something out of a porn movie) still in development? I love the OpenPLI base and I also love Black Hole images but avoided them due to bad subtitles on non-OpenPLI images... Have been using VIX on my Uno since receiving last year but would like to try something different :)

Larry-G
25-07-12, 16:46
Yes as far as i am aware the BP project is still very much in active development, although the BH is the main priority for the team.

Ev0
25-07-12, 16:56
As said, it is still an active project, but Bh is the main focus and members of the team are away on holiday at the moment.

captain jack
10-01-13, 17:53
Hey guys, any news on an updated BP image - if there is one?

Ev0
10-01-13, 18:54
Hey guys, any news on an updated BP image - if there is one?

BP was updated to OE2.0 in October 2012.

captain jack
10-01-13, 22:26
Guys, is there a way to have 2nd infobar enabled by default as opposed to having to press OK to see it?

Stanman
10-01-13, 22:28
Guys, is there a way to have 2nd infobar enabled by default as opposed to having to press OK to see it?

Which image?

captain jack
10-01-13, 23:03
BlackPole OE2.0... another question, is there a way to map channel up/down to correct keys on Uno like you can in VIX? At the moment pressing these brings up bouquet lists.

Edit: Actually, ignore the key question - I just edited keymap.xml file and it seems to have worked.

Rob van der Does
11-01-13, 06:24
I just edited keymap.xml file and it seems to have worked.
Then your change will be lost on every image update. You'd better use MutliQuickButton: that's made for this purpose.