No signs yet of the Octagon SF4008 4K. Available in Germany at a price but no signs yet of UK stock. This time next year, maybe before there will be news of several new bells and whistles boxes. Meanwhile s/h boxes are going cheap, ideal for newbies to see if they like the hobby. My Atemio Nemesis with a 3tb unused HDD sits here unloved because I am another idiot who thinks the latest model is better. I should have learnt my lesson when I got divorced years ago, the newer model soon loses any excitement and by getting the latest version makes you realise it is expensive and often extremely frustrating when the passion fades.