Just seen the price of the Mut@nt HD51 4K and with twin tuners it makes the Vu 4K price (apologies to the sponsor) just a sick joke (even with fba tuners) .... and the Mut@nt (shiiping apparently this week) has the better Broadcom chip .... Considering the early user issues with the Vu, seems they should make a gesture to them .... But I guess Vu will not look upon that idea kindly.